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Re: OT: My full legal name is now Sai. W00t!

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Mechthild Czapp <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:06:55 +0100

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I guess that depends on the experienced you made. Bullies so often mispronounced my first name purposefully that I hate it to be mispronounced (I have no issues with my last name being mangled beyond recognition*). This is why I asked English speakers to call me by a different name instead (Maggie). It is all a matter of preferences and there is no best way. Christophe does not want to be called by a foreign name but does not mind the name being mangled, I wince when someone pronounces the i in my name as a schwa but have no issue about using a name which is not mine (I also answer to Rejis and to Mickey). I use a different nickname on almost every forum, so meh...


* it seems to be completely impossible to understand it over a phone line

Am 2011-jul-14 um 17:45 schrieb Dirk Elzinga:

> My surname is pronounced by (American) English speakers in one of two ways:
> [ˈɛlziŋə(ɹ)] and [ɛlˈzɪŋɡə]. When I lived in Germany, it was pronounced
> [ˈɛlt͡siŋa]. In Frisian (its language of origin) and Dutch it is pronounced
> [ˈɛlziŋxa]. I answer to all of them (though I have yet to be addressed by a
> Frisian :-)). I'm not particularly fussy about it; I figure people will
> pronounce it in a way that is most comfortable for them--in a way that
> conforms to the phonotactics of their native language, and I'm fine with
> that. So I don't understand why people should insist that I must pronounce
> their foreign name according to the rules of that foreign language rather
> than letting me use my own language to guide my pronunciation *when we are
> speaking my language*. I'm a big fan of phonological accomodation :-), and I
> certainly don't intend any disrespect by doing it to someone's name.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <tsela.cg@
> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 11 July 2011 20:23, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I care a lot about both spelling and pronunciation of my names.
>>> I don't for example like when my surname is given an English
>>> pronunciation.
>>> 
>>> 
>> I care a lot about the pronunciation of my name as well, but not because I
>> care about my name itself. Actually, I have little attachment to my name at
>> all. It's not that I feel it doesn't represent me. It does, but just like
>> the word "table" refers to a piece of furniture with four legs and a
>> horizontal tray you use to put things on and sit next to. It's just a
>> label,
>> like any other word in any language, i.e. an arbitrary sequence of sounds
>> that has a referent only because there's a group of people agreeing to it,
>> including me. Like any other linguistic sign, it's arbitrary, and has no
>> deep relationship whatsoever with who I am.
>> 
>> That's also why I don't bother with those questions of whether my name is
>> really right for me, or whether I'd like to be called something else. All
>> labels are arbitrary. There's no single one that represents me better than
>> the others (I used to think otherwise. I actually hated my last name for a
>> while), so why should I bother change it? The only part of my name that has
>> any significance to me is my second last name. It's my husband's last name.
>> When we got married, we decided to each add the name of the other to our
>> names (and have done so officially). It's meaningful to us, and it sends a
>> signal to the world that we are bonded, whatever others might think of our
>> relationship. But it's the addition of it to my name that is significant to
>> me, not the actual shape of the name.
>> 
>> So why should I care about the pronunciation of my name? Well, for the same
>> reason I care about the pronunciation of any word: it's two French words,
>> followed by a Dutch word. Both should be pronounced according to the rules
>> of the language they are from, because they are words in those languages.
>> If
>> there's anything I hate, it's how for instance French people distort
>> English
>> names, and vice versa. You don't need to get the pronunciation perfectly,
>> but don't just use a reading pronunciation.
>> --
>> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
>> 
>> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
>> 

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