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CONLANG  July 2011, Week 3

CONLANG July 2011, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Ancient Kalau - A Proto-Conlang

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:36:00 +0200

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well, someone may as well contribute the german evidence.
"das Rad" is used in basically every case of a circular thing spinning
(though there's also drehen, to spin, that gets around - pun unintended but
accepted)

"steering wheel"=Lenkrad
"bike"=Fahrrad ("to bike"=radfahren)
"gear"=Zahnrad (lit. tooth-wheel)

this surely comes from some PIE *rot- since o>a usually in germanic, we have
*rota* already in latin, and PIE *t would generally wind up as /d/ in high
german (excepting cases of verner's law) and maybe some low german as well
(and dutch).  two questions for the historical linguistics-mínded:

does a potential english cognate rath-/roth- show up anywhere in english?
an example doesn't come to mind.

and why is the *kwekwl-/*hwehl- root conspicuously lost in all of german?
or is it?

matt

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Iuhan Culmærija <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> 2011/7/18 Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > On 18 July 2011 13:14, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2011-07-17 19:02, Roger Mills wrote:
> > >
> > >  The other Germanic languages have other word(s) for
> > >> "wheel", but Engl. has_wheel_,
> > >>
> > >
> > > YFYI Scandinavian _hjól/hjul_ is actually < _*hweȝwla-_
> > > < _*kʷekʷlo_, but your argument is of course valid all
> > > the same! BTW the German word _Rat_ (or perhaps rather
> > > Dutch _rad_) 'wheel' has been borrowed into Scand. to
> > > mean 'steering-wheel'. Hopefully that doesn't make
> > > someone 2KY from now think that was the original
> > > meaning of the root (it's of course cognate with
> > > 'rotate' and meant just that! :-)
> > >
> > >
> > Actually, the Dutch word for "wheel" is _wiel_. I'll let you guess what
> > it's
> > a cognate of :P.
>
>
> 'Wiel' is also used in Afrikaans.
>
>
> > _Rad_ also somewhat means "wheel", but unlike _wiel_ is
> > hardly ever used in the context of transportation. Rather, it's used to
> > indicate rotation, physical or metaphorical (het rad der fortuin: the
> wheel
> > of fortune), or the shape (een reuzenrad: a Ferris wheel). A car has
> > _wielen_ (using _rad_ there would sound old-fashioned),
> >
> Afrikaans has the word _RAT_ . It means "gear" or "cog" (which rotates)
> So a car has both _wiele_ "wheels" and _ratte_ "gears."
>
> What fascinates me is that _rat_ is spelled with a "t" in Afrikaans! Not
> only would one expect a final "d" because of Afrikaans' spelling
> conventions
> -  its Dutch root spelled with a "d" too. curious...
>
>
> >
> > As for the steering wheel, in Dutch it's normally simply _het stuur_.
> >
> _die bestuurwiel_ in Afrikaans. Lit: "the drive-wheel."
>
>
> Iuhan
>

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