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CONLANG  July 2011, Week 3

CONLANG July 2011, Week 3

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Re: Language adaptation to the environment (Was: Noise resistant phonology)

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Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:58:59 +0200

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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Jrg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Hallo conlangers!
>
> On Wednesday 20 July 2011 12:05:44, Nikolay Ivankov wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > My other main recommendation for the phonology would be to include lots
> > > of tone, and perhaps contrastive V length and other such prosodic
> > > phenomena (tone and contrastive stress both?  or something like the
> > > Otomanguean ballistic syllables?).  These are the sorts of things that
> > > tend to get taken
> > > up most faithfully in whistle languages and the like; and e.g. it's
> said
> > > the
> > > Piraha~ would often use their whistled mode in preference to their
> spoken
> > > mode to better pierce the everyday tumult of the rainforest.  (In fact
> > > I've seen the theory that Piraha~ phonology is weird how it is 'cause
> of
> > > adaptation of the spoken mode to the whistled and drummed modes.)
> > >
> > > Alex
> >
> > It's a very intriguing theory about the adaptation of the Praha~
> phonology
> > to cope with the rainforest environment. I wonder, if Hawai'i has such a
> > scarce number of phonemes because, living at the seashore and having to
> > spend much of their time in the open sea, the Polynesians were forced to
> > develop a similar kind of noise-resistant phonology to cope with the wash
> > of the waves and whistle of the wind.
> >
> > I've also heard the theory that the languages of highlander nations
> always
> > tend to have more glottals (something to do with the thin air?) but I
> can't
> > find a reference.
> >
> > The questions are:
> >
> > 1) How justified are these kind of theories?
>
> I don't know.  I suspect, based on some phonologies I have seen,
> that there is a weak tendency towards smallish phoneme inventories
> in the tropics, and larger ones in higher latitudes and mountainous
> areas, but probably nothing significant.  Most academic linguists,
> to my knowledge, consider such hypotheses unwarranted.   We are
> apparently dealing with a clich here.
>

Well, this is kinda sad. It is interesting, because I've been always
thinking the opposite: larger phonemes inventory in the tropics and smaller
towards the poles, though I don't really know why.


> That does not prevent one, of course, from inventing a conlang
> landscape in which such generalizations hold true.  In my
> Hesperic conlang family (to which Old Albic belongs), I have
> (or will have; most of the languages currently only exist as
> clouds of ideas) larger inventories, and also richer inflectional
> paradigms, in the northern languages than in the southern ones.
> (The family is meant to be spoken in Europe, thus on the northern
> hemisphere.)  But even there, the correlation is not perfect:
> Old Albic is one of the more northerly languages, and its
> consonant inventory is not particularly rich (though its
> inflectional morphology is).  Most of its daughters, though
> (except the Macaronesian languages, which have moved far south),
> have more consonants.
>

Well, I've had some concultures for which I have already naively applied
this kind of theory. For instance, a tropical forest culture Ts-sqii has a
"birdy" phoneme inventory, with clicks and whistles, while the Ollo-or, the
nation of sailors psending much of their life in the sea, has a very number
of consonants in their languages, compensating this with a bigger arsenal of
vowels and tones. In fact, it was my desire to create concultures that led
me to conlanging, and I've been using such a priori theories just to be able
to name the personalities and places. And only then I became curious,
whether there are parallels IRL.



> > 2) How can other type of environment affect the language (a Sci-Fi nation
> > forced to use badly-designed communicators in a distant edge of the
> galaxy
> > is an option)
>
> I have an idea in the back of my head of a conlang (a descendant
> of Old Albic) with a phonology adapted to underwater speaking.
> The project, however, is untackled yet; I haven't yet conducted
> experiments regarding how well human speech works underwater
> (it certainly doesn't work well).
>

I used to think about concultures of people using only radiowaves for
communication. Alas, I don't know how the human speech organs work - it is
impossible for me to guess how the biological emitter could work like (at
least in order to produce something like speech), and what kind of
restrictions will there be. Though maybe it is interesting to look, what
kind of wave patterns will be the most understandable when one has talk
through a constant white noise.


> --
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
> http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
> "Bsel asa m, a m atha cvanthal a cvanth atha mel." - SiM 1:1
>

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