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CONLANG  July 2011, Week 4

CONLANG July 2011, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Language adaptation to the environment (Was: Noise resistant phonology)

From:

Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:35:37 +0100

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I did start a sketch of a conlang once, with plenty of back vowels and nasals and no plosives or voiced fricatives. I intended it, I seem to remember, for a society of generally nasty and horrible murderous slave-traders.
Maybe I should make one full of clicks and voiced backwards fricatives and aspirated plosives for a peaceful socialist utopia...
 
On 26 Jul 2011, at 20:47, Jrg Rhiemeier wrote:

> Hallo conlangers!
> 
> On Tuesday 26 July 2011 18:20:06, Nikolay Ivankov wrote:
> 
>> [...]
>> Oh, the thing that I don't like in elves most of all - their mellow
>> languages, as if such a language automatically makes them into good guys.
>> The names of my good guys have... well, not orkish too... more neutral, so
>> to say.
> 
> Yes, it is a clich, and invites for a brushing against the
> stroke, once again.  Why not have the wise leader of the good
> guys be named Pflarzgnumraq Zorbrax and the evil overlord
> Eldirniel Thylamdar, just for a change?
> 
> What regards my own "elflang" Old Albic, I want it to sound to
> my taste, but I try not to go overboard with mellifluousness.
> 
>> [...]
>>> If you want to, you may always decide that in your conworld,
>>> languages resemble the sounds of the natural environment of
>>> the people speaking them.  It certainly adds some flavour to
>>> it.
>> 
>> Well, it depends. It seems to me now that if there could really be an
>> evolution of the language due to an environment (for instance, I think that
>> the language spoken only through a bad phone for generations will
>> apparently lose the s/f distinction), then it should rather "put an
>> effort" to be distinguishable from the sound background. So if the people
>> speak "birdly", this will mean, from my current point of view, that they
>> should live in a forest without birds, at least those that sing similarly.
> 
> Indeed, this makes more sense than a language that mimics the
> sounds of its environment!  A language is meant to be *understood*,
> not to blend into its environment.  Yet, I doubt that anything
> getting close to such a correlation can be observed in the real
> world.
> 
> --
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
> http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
> "Bsel asa m, a m atha cvanthal a cvanth atha mel." - SiM 1:1

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