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CONLANG July 2011, Week 4

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Re: the Shwa script

From:

And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:30:22 +0100

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Alex Fink, On 27/07/2011 20:43:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:22:12 +0100, And Rosta<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
>> In any sequence of obstruents within an onset or coda, only the first can
> be fortis. As proof of this one can observe that [?] (/t/) cannot follow an
> obstruent. In codas you can get /sd, zd, tz, dz/. In noncoda onsets there is
> no fortis/lenis contrast at all in consonant clusers (other than Cy-),
>
> Not even in what I'd call /pr tr kr pl kl tw/ vs. /br dr gr bl gl dw/?

Ooops! Sorry! Fortis/lenis contrast is preserved with plosive + liquid/glide, and fricative + y. (Behold one of the perils of pontificating by hurried email!)

> And you analyse Cy- as a consonant cluster, then?  The parsimonious analyses
> I've seen take advantage of these clusters' restriction to before u-ish main
> vowels (GOOSE, CURE, maybe another I'm forgetting;

essentially GOOSE and CURE, but CURE can split/merge into NURSE and THOUGHT/NORTH/FORCE for some.

A further/related argument for the analysis you mention is the absence of other phonotactic constraints between onset and nucleus.

The main reason for treating y as a consonant in the onset is _a uniform_ rather than _an uniform_ (and likewise _the_ is [D@] rather than [Di]). I consider this far stronger than the countervailing reasons for treating /yu/ as a nucleus. Further reasons for treating y as a consonant are optional coalescences of /ty/, /dy/, /sy/, /zy/ to /c/ (/tS/), /j/ (/dZ/), /S/, /Z/ (and indeed, I see /S/ and /Z/ as simultaneous /y/ and /s~z/).  Still further evidence is that while some dialects drop

So in my view, the distributional restriction between onset y and the nuclear vowel is a matter of historical accident, tho it is a real synchronic restriction, since names, borrowings, neologisms can't violate it. What I mean is, it is a quirky eccentricity of the system, arising through well-understood historical processes, and subsequent historical development hasn't yet provided English with a way to regularize away the quirk.

>for these purposes
> "piano" e.g. is /pi.&no/) to handle them with an extra two complex nuclei or
> whatever, rather than onset clusters.

I'm happy with that. I see _piano_ as /p@[log in to unmask]

--And.

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