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CONLANG  July 2011, Week 5

CONLANG July 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Loglan as an auxlang (was: revisiting the artlang/engelang distinction)

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:04:33 +0200

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Hallo conlangers!

On Sunday 31 July 2011 08:12:02, R A Brown wrote:

> On 30/07/2011 20:37, Jrg Rhiemeier wrote:
> > Hallo conlangers!
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> > What regards engelangs, it depends.  Many are meant to
> > be spoken in real life.  The 17th-century
> > "philosophical" languages surely were auxlangs at least
> > as much as they were engelangs.  Loglan/Lojban's primary
> > purpose may not be that of an auxlang, but such usage has
> > been proposed from within the relevant community (I don't
> > know whether J. C. Brown or the Logical Language Group
> > suggested it themselves, though; but at least, they did
> > not reject the notion).
> 
> According to Arika Okrent, in the final few pages of the
> final chapter of James Cooke Brown's 1989 revised Loglan
> grammar, he wrote:
> "...Loglan would probably be seen as ideal in the role of
> that international auxiliary, for example: the first
> language to be taught to the world's school children, the
> one slated to become everybody's second tongue ... our
> engineered new second-language would be seen as the
> mind-expander, the instrument of thought, reason, invention,
> and exposition ... and perhaps also the medium of cultural
> mediation, a more tolerant and peaceful world."
> 
> It goes right back to JCB himself. Such sentiments are, of
> course, not much different from those of the 17th century
> creators of engineered auxlangs and, indeed, not
> significantly different from the claims of scores (hundred?)
> of others since.

Yes.  So JCB did propose using Loglan as an auxlang; and the
Lojbanists certainly did not drop it - I have heard often
enough that Lojban would be "a better IAL than Esperanto"
(an opinion I have misgivings against - but that is not to
be discussed here).  Like the 17th-century "philosophical
"languages, Loglan/Lojban serves the dual purpose of being
(1) a means to express oneself more clearly and "truthfully"
than in a "messy" natlang and (2) a means to overcome language
barriers between different nations.  (Which puts Loglan/Lojban
in the purple area of the triangle.)

--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bsel asa m, a m atha cvanthal a cvanth atha mel." - SiM 1:1

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