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CONLANG  July 2011, Week 5

CONLANG July 2011, Week 5

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Re: the Shwa script

From:

Peter Cyrus <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:17:45 -0700

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I'll take this discussion offline, but if anyone wants to be copied, please
tell us.

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Paul Roser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 21:44:19 -0700, Peter Cyrus <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >Your suggestion would break my tops+bottoms scheme, I'm afraid.
> >
> >For rhotics, I use the "sibilant" bottoms, the same ones that
> differentiate
> >affricates from plosives, to indicate trills instead of taps/flaps.  So
> >maybe I could extend that to laterals, using the sibilant bottoms under
> >lateral tops.  I would have to reassign the current murmured lateral, and
> >would still need a letter for the Toda palatal lateral fricative (perhaps
> >the existing palatal lateral).
>
> I took another look at the full consonant set on the shwa voices page
> and noticed that most of the voiced segments (stops/affricates,
> fricatives, rhotics, and all the nasals except for the velar & uvular
> nasals)
> have a top attaches to the left side of the upright, while voiceless stops
> and fricatives attach to the right side. Laterals all attach on the right
> side, so my new suggestion is to reassign the current laterals to
> voiceless lateral fricatives, and create a set of voiced lateral
> (sonorants)
> with the looped lateral top attached to the left, in line with the voiced
> stops, fricatives, nasals and rhotics. Since few languages contrast a
> voiced lateral fricative with a lateral sonorant, you could use the labial
> lateral (which is articulatorily impossible) for the voiced lateral
> fricative.
>
> ... And it just occurred to me that the shwa characters do not appear to
> have any mirrored pairs. So here are three more suggestions:
>
> + use the lateral top with just the alveolar and postalveolar sibilant
>   bottoms, giving two contrasting lateral fricative pairs (the murmured
>   lateral can be done as a digraph with murmured suffix)
>
> + use the lateral top with the labial, bilabial, and uvular fricative
> bottoms.
>   That gives you three pairs of lateral fricatives, which is probably more
>   than you actually need (you could just use two of the three pairs).
>
> + use the lateral tops with the alveolar, postalveolar and uvular bottoms,
>   giving two coronal pairs and a dorsal pair of lateral fricatives.
>
>
>
>

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