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CONLANG August 2011, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Reverse agreement for verbs (was: reverse agreement)

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 4 Aug 2011 23:58:50 +0200

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Oh, I like that.  Something like that would be really cool to include in my
> back-burner conlang that I was collecting ideas for in the "hard to learn"
> thread from some months back!


I have to check the thread once again. I want my concultures to have really
alien languages, so I collect and try to invent the craziest ideas ever, and
try to arrange them in a learnable way - at least to be able to master the
sentences myself.


>  Encountering that in the wild would be frustrating.  Especially when the
> only person who really has time to talk to you in the village poet who
> recites poems at you that DO include fast forms for forrest and static forms
> for rivers and things that wouldn't even be concidered real words in normal
> conversation!


Oh yeah! I already like the poetry of this conculture! Or, maybe, using the
fast form with necessarily static verb, as a less hardcore construction.
Something like

wag utl = the hare sleeps swiftly(?)

If I find the way to attach this to the Nithii conlang of mine, I think I'll
have to start with the sonnets :-B


> Adam
>

Kolya


>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > Privet conlangers!
> >
> > The reverse agreement theme proposed by Alex Fink made me thinking about
> an
> > analogous reverse agreement between verbs and nouns. I do not remember,
> was
> > it a real or a fictional language that has distinguished between sitting
> > and
> > running rabbit. Even if it's not an ANADEW, why not to try making
> something
> > naturalistic out of that?
> >
> > Once I used to have an idea of making a language with three genders,
> which
> > I
> > called: "static", "slow" and "fast". For a long time I've had a problem
> > fitting the words into these genders, and still my workings
> > looked unsatisfactory. But the usage of the reverse agreement makes the
> > picture clear.
> >
> > Instead of genders, we have three verb classes as above. Some verbs may
> > belong to several classes simultaneously.
> >
> > Each noun has 2 to 4 forms: zero = vocative + up to 3 forms associated to
> > each verb class. For instance, a mountain or a forest will normally have
> > only "slow" forms in addition to their vocatives. In contrast, the word
> > _wolf_ has following all 4:
> >
> > vocative: mak
> > static: maak
> > slow: mek
> > fast: amk
> >
> > Now, the verb _wag_ = _to sleep_will be "static", so that we shall have
> >
> > wag maak = the wolf sleeps
> >
> > From the other hand, the verb _yir_ = _to hunt_ will belong to all the
> > three
> > classes, and we may compose the following sentences:
> >
> > slow:  yir mek = the wolf is hunting (went for the hunt, will be back in
> > the
> > evening)
> > static: yir maak = the wolf hunts (habitually)
> > fast:    yir amk = the wolf is chasing its prey (right now)
> >
> > The object may also carry the markers, that could also mark some further
> > nuances of the sentence. Say, _tul_ = _hare_, with _tuul_ and _utl_ being
> > its "static" and "fast" forms respectively. Then we have
> >
> > yir maakt utl
> > hunt wolf-STAT-ERG hare-FAST
> > the wolf habitually hunts the hare(s) (and the hares are moving fast)
> >
> > yir amkt-a tuul
> > hunt wolf-FAST-ERG-_separating vowel_ hare-STAT
> > the wolf is hunting the hare right now (and the hare sits still, because
> it
> > hasn't spotted the predator yet).
> >
> > I don't know, whether I'll be able to master a diachronics for this kind
> of
> > language, nor have I thought about the cases and the interplay between
> them
> > and the static/slow/fast forms. But this idea just looks "naturally
> weird"
> > to me.
> >
> > How ANADEW / ACADEW may this stuff be?
> >
> > Kolya
> >
>

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