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CONLANG August 2011, Week 1

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Re: Reverse agreement for verbs (was: reverse agreement)

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Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:28:46 -0700

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Privet conlangers!
>
> The reverse agreement theme proposed by Alex Fink made me thinking about an
> analogous reverse agreement between verbs and nouns. I do not remember, was
> it a real or a fictional language that has distinguished between sitting and
> running rabbit. Even if it's not an ANADEW, why not to try making something
> naturalistic out of that?
>
> Once I used to have an idea of making a language with three genders, which I
> called: "static", "slow" and "fast". For a long time I've had a problem
> fitting the words into these genders, and still my workings
> looked unsatisfactory. But the usage of the reverse agreement makes the
> picture clear.
>
> Instead of genders, we have three verb classes as above. Some verbs may
> belong to several classes simultaneously.
>
> Each noun has 2 to 4 forms: zero = vocative + up to 3 forms associated to
> each verb class. For instance, a mountain or a forest will normally have
> only "slow" forms in addition to their vocatives. In contrast, the word
> _wolf_ has following all 4:
>
> vocative: mak
> static: maak
> slow: mek
> fast: amk
>
> Now, the verb _wag_ = _to sleep_will be "static", so that we shall have
>
> wag maak = the wolf sleeps
>
> From the other hand, the verb _yir_ = _to hunt_ will belong to all the three
> classes, and we may compose the following sentences:
>
> slow:  yir mek = the wolf is hunting (went for the hunt, will be back in the
> evening)
> static: yir maak = the wolf hunts (habitually)
> fast:    yir amk = the wolf is chasing its prey (right now)
>
> The object may also carry the markers, that could also mark some further
> nuances of the sentence. Say, _tul_ = _hare_, with _tuul_ and _utl_ being
> its "static" and "fast" forms respectively. Then we have
>
> yir maakt utl
> hunt wolf-STAT-ERG hare-FAST
> the wolf habitually hunts the hare(s) (and the hares are moving fast)
>
> yir amkt-a tuul
> hunt wolf-FAST-ERG-_separating vowel_ hare-STAT
> the wolf is hunting the hare right now (and the hare sits still, because it
> hasn't spotted the predator yet).
>
> I don't know, whether I'll be able to master a diachronics for this kind of
> language, nor have I thought about the cases and the interplay between them
> and the static/slow/fast forms. But this idea just looks "naturally weird"
> to me.
>
> How ANADEW / ACADEW may this stuff be?

I once played around with that basic idea. IIRC it was inspired by
thinking of the English word "shit" as a sort of pronoun, selected due
to the obscenity of the verb. (I was bored.)

I think my verb classes included "obscene/taboo/disgusting" and
"ritualistic". I don't recall much else about it, other than that it
was fluid-S and was meant to be the protolanguage to a family. I never
got very far with it.

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