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CONLANG  August 2011, Week 3

CONLANG August 2011, Week 3

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Re: Thoughts on a universal alphabet - vowel letters

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:51:07 -0400

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On 8/20/2011 5:17 PM, BPJ wrote:
> On 2011-08-20 04:47, Herman Miller wrote:
>> Few languages would need all 10 letters, but it's not uncommon to
>> need 9. Swedish is an example of a language that can be seen as
>> having 9 vowels (with length variation). Here's one way of using
>> the vowel circle to represent Swedish vowels (IPA characters as
>> used in the Wikipedia article "Swedish language"):
>
> Actually some accents of Swedish, including mine, have
> up to twelve vowel phonemes, length not counted. Mine
> also has an [æ] which occurs as a free variant in words
> having /a/ OR /ɛ/! I have the following vowel phonemes:
>
> i y ʉ u
>
> e ø ɵ
> o
> ɛ ɞ
>
> a ɑ
>
> All of these occur long and short although short /ʉ/
> and long /a/ are rare and long /ɵ/ is restricted to a
> single lexical item. All have both long and short
> monophthong allophones. All except /ɵ/ and /ɞ/ have
> diphthong allophones in some contexts, but these are
> conditioned and most speakers aren't even aware they
> are diphthongs so you can hardly get away with
> diphthongal spellings to eke out the sign inventory. In
> short: don't let the Swedish academic phoneticians'
> chauvinism for the accent cultivated at Uppsala
> University fool you; most people don't speak it!
>
> /bpj

Well, I think I can get by with ignoring a sound that only occurs in one 
word, but that still leaves more than 10. Hindi and Vietnamese could 
also use more than 10, although I was thinking of using length 
distinctions in those cases.

So instead of a single letter inside the circle, if I had a triangle 
that would work well for Swedish, Hindi, and Vietnamese. I'll label them 
1', 4', 7' for now.

             1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  1' 4' 7'
Swedish     i  e  ɛ  a  ɑ  o  u  ʉ  y  ø  ɞ  ɵ
Hindi       i  e  ɛ  æ  a  ɔ  o  u     ɪ  ə  ʊ
Vietnamese  i  ê  e  a  o  ô  u  ư     â  ă  ơ

Now I'll inevitably run across a language with 13 vowel qualities. At 
some point I'll start to wonder if it might be better to use diacritics 
beyond a certain set of basic vowel letters. But 12 is still a more 
reasonable number of vowel letters than Kjaginic, which has 21 vowel 
letters.

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