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Re: Newbie Intro & Lovecraftian Language

From:

Anthony Miles <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:50:30 -0400

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On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:17:33 -0500, Matthew Boutilier 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

welcome!
I would enjoy seeing your idea of the speech of abominations.

>welcome!
>
>i can't count the times i've thought of attempting this.  it would be
>fantastic to organize the lovecraftian conlang canon (which, as far as i
>know, is not very extensive) into something coherent.  i am under the
>impression that old h.p. himself did not have a well developed conception of
>how the language of his elder gods - or other gods, or among whomever it 
was
>supposed to have fluency - *worked* as an actual language, although he
>certainly milked the hell out of its supposed phonetic shock value for the
>sake of the plot.  (e.g., somebody (on wikipedia) suggests based on evidence
>that i forget that "cthulhu" in its native language can be approximated by
>[ˈχɬʊlɬuː], which if you aren't familiar with the phonetic notation is 
quite
>wonderfully disgusting-sounding, and has had some influence on the
>phonotactics of a few conlangs i have worked on in the recent past.)  but of
>course, this lovecraftian "deep speech" is supposed to require certain
>speech organs possessed not by humans but only by the infernal and 
deranged
>monstrosities of the under-/netherworld.  so that's problematic...
>
>but, to answer your question, no, i've not attempted this personally and in
>the year or two that i've been on this list cannot recall any such
>experiment being explicated openly.  so, the challenge is yours.  i'd be
>interested in seeing your so-called half-hearted stab.
>
>and i'm sure the rest of the list would find interest if you shared some of
>your "first serious conlang" (don't take my example - i have yet to expose
>anything substantial of a personal conlang).  don't worry about linguistic
>training; CONLANG frequenters and members are rather diverse not only in
>linguistic expertise but in their linguistic interests and intentions in
>general.  although, i might say that if you're interested in expanding your
>knowledge in such things, this is certainly a good place to do it.
>
>matt
>
>On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:30 PM, John Erickson 
<[log in to unmask]
>> wrote:
>
>> Hello all, I'm new to the list and fairly new to conlanging in general. I'm
>> still working on my first serious conlang, which has a very simple, regular
>> grammar and a vocabulary of less than 1000 words so far. I also have no
>> formal training in linguistics and am learning as I go, so please forgive
>> me
>> if I ask dumb questions or make newbie mistakes. That being said...
>>
>> Has anyone ever tried to make a conlang based on Lovecraft's works? I 
know
>> of one English transliteration script, but no full fledged conlangs. I've
>> been making a half-hearted stab at it but if someone else has already done
>> it (probably better than I ever could), I won't bother.
>>
>> P.S. I realize Lovecraft intended for his alien language snippets to be
>> utterly incomprehensible, but therein lies the challenge and thus the fun.
>>

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