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CONLANG  September 2011, Week 4

CONLANG September 2011, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Defining terms (was: Inside jokes)

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:00:59 -0400

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>> > Most of us aren't developing conreligions, but conlangs,
>> > with some of us also developing conworlds.
>>
>> It would be quite interesting, I think, to determine the factuality of
>> this statement. I for one
>> discover not only conlangs but also the worlds they inhabit, and the
>> cultures, religions
>> and histories they operate in and the peoples that speak them.
>>
>>
>
> I have religion(s) involved in every culture I invent.  My Carraxan timeline
> deals with Catholics, Eikonoklast Greeks, Copts, Donatists, Jews and Muslims
> all living in something approaching harmony at time, at others not so much.

One big happy family!

The World has its Kristians in various forms (philosophical,
theological, various
kinds of orthodoxy). There are Baptists (followers of John). There are Buddhists
and Jews and Jewish Buddhists. Of course, various pagans as well. There are
Mithraists, Zoroastrians, Iscariotists, Dydimists, Last Day
Adventists, Manesians,
and there are all kinds of independent philosophical and spiritual movements
going on.

I have scriptures and philosophical works written out for many of
them, especially
the Kristians. I have gospels and letters and a whole liturgical book
with readings.
Some of the material has been rendered into languages appropriate, particularly
Loucarian, Talarian and Anian.

Haven't discussed Anian much, but it forms a broad source of philosophical and
cultural background for much of the Eastlands. Tcani (saying) 167: hhcso-s-ehi
lklamunum : hhcso-s-ehi ahhlklamunum. (you-self lose; you-self unlose) In a
smoother version: To find yourself, lose yourself.

> My Commonwealth Worlds are inhabited by aliens, but still every world I have
> discovered has at least one religion that I have explored, so to my liking
> some I find repulsive.

Indeed. This is the case with me as well. There are a range of
unpleasant religious
behaviours in the World as well. Human sacrifice and so forth.

Chanism I find to be a repulsive religion -- its origins are entirely
innocuous, a spiritual
path that seeks balance and harmony was intentionally and savagely turned on its
head so that the resultant religion deliberately seeks to destroy all
things that are out
of balance with its own perceptions.

>
>
>
>
>> > While religions are a part
>> > of conworlds, most conlangers doesn't seem to develop conreligions any
>> > further than acknowledging their existence.
>>
>> I have delved into religious and spiritual matters quite deeply in the
>> World, and also in
>> Ill Bethisad.
>>
>>
>
> I have been working on Donatist liturgy in fits and strats for years for
> C-a.

And, if I may say, I've been patiently waiting to see this liturgy for
as many years!

> For The Commonwealth I have listed and revised the lists of gods for
> the dominant religion of the Graavguurdaan and know something about their
> rituals, I also know that it is a newer faith that has largely supplanted an
> older faith that was monotheistic.  For the Trelkairni I know a good deal
> about the character of The Mother and rituals of her worship connected to
> the moon and the sacrificing of cats, also some about taboos relating to
> males not entering sacred spaces.  For the Tvern El I have sketched out a
> number of ideas about their monotheistic faith and know their burrial
> customs and the religious services involved therein.  For the
> Alleliawulians, I have written a story about the cloud readers and how they
> obtain messages from the Sky Children and another about how the gods punish
> the overly prideful.

That sounds interesting!

>> So..., is this really relevant for conlanging/conworlding?
>
>> The thing is, all things are ultimately relevant for conlanging and
>> conculturing. Real life
>> is where we get many ideas and inspirations from.
>
> Exactly.  As obnoxious as some "off topic" threads may get after draging on
> for weeks, I am reluctant to just trash their messages without at least a
> cursory glance, because you just never know when some random thought will
> prove to be inspiration.

Indeed! The thread I'm involved in with Ray about conjugated nouns has opened
up some interesting insights into how I think Daine language might work. I've
never quite come to grips with how they think, deep down. Some good fodder
in that thread.

>  Even if only the inspiration that some culture
> somewhere should have severe penalties for imagining stack-based grammars!

Ain't sure what a stack-based grammar is, but I'm sure we'd all do
well to severly
punish the miscreants! Off with their noun phrases!

> Adam

Padraic
--

En matinamver na, IC pirperato sarccim pros iscôm mathêtes; ett’ ica
pejeito adis nesser:
acco, qouem mi moulvaniccere pros vassermet, qouem, moulvaniccere vas
itan pros al pouvres.

One morning, Jesus prepared food for his disciples; and he said to
them: look, what I do for you,
that, you do it for the poor.

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