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CONLANG  September 2011, Week 4

CONLANG September 2011, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Favourite consonant clusters?

From:

Hugo Cesar de Castro Carneiro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:43:11 -0300

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I understand you, Sam. I am Brazilian, so I speak Portuguese as native
language, and here we use several sounds for "x", depending where it is
placed in a word (sometimes there are no rules at all... and we pronounce
"ch" digraph as [ʃ] too due to a deaffrication sound change [tʃ] > [ʃ], it
is such a pain for the kids to learn it at school LOL).

Well, when I said about "x" being pronounced as [ʃ] is on the beginning of
the words, where it surely in a non-castillian word, except in word like
xilófono, pronounced [si'lofono] or when it is placed in a cluster "tx"
(usually from Basque origin).

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm not Spanish, like Roberto, but when I speak Castellano I've always
> pronounced "x" as /ks/, as do my family, who are, hence, "expreso",
> "expositor", etc. It's most obvious in road signs in Cataluña and Valencia,
> where place names are spelt differently to how they are on any normal map (I
> hate driving in Spain!).
>
> BTW, Roberto, I've always meant to ask why streets have names in up to
> three languages, with only one being known to the people who live on it,
> only one marked on street signs and only one known to map makers :)
>
> On 22 Sep 2011, at 14:15, Hugo Cesar de Castro Carneiro wrote:
>
> > ¡Hola Roberto!
> >
> > I thought spaniards pronounced "x" as [ʃ] depending on its place in a
> word.
> >
> > First, because Basques also use "x" as [ʃ] in addition to the digraph
> "tx"
> > pronounced [tʃ]. Valencian and Catalan people also use "x" as [ʃ] in
> cluster
> > "eix" (mateixa, conèixer etc), and due to two football (soccer) players
> from
> > these regions, Xavi (from Tarrasa) and Xabi Alonso (from Tolosa), I
> thought
> > that even Castillian people would see "x" in some cases as [ʃ].
> >
> > The names Xavi and Xabi that are from Xavier and Xabier, with almost the
> > same pronunciation of Galician Xavier and different from Castillian
> Javier
> > (sound change [ʃ] to [x], as in xefe > jefe (boss, chef) and dexar >
> dejar
> > (to let)).
> >
> > 2011/9/22 Roberto Suárez Soto <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >> 2011/9/21 Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
> >>
> >> I like the "txC" combo I used in Txtana /ʧ-tana/. It's basically like
> >>> saying "chit" (or "chip" or "chik" depending of what consonant C is)
> >>> without vocalizing the vowel. The letter "X" is "SH" (ʃ).
> >>>
> >>
> >>    Using "x" for "sh" is also the norm in Galician (not a conlang ;-)).
> >> Though many of the non-galician spaniards don't know, and pronounce it
> like
> >> /ks/ (the norm in spanish castillian), /s/ or /C/ (I think; it's like
> >> spanish "ch"). It makes for some fun when the state TV channel has news
> >> about the "Xunta de Galicia" :-)
> >>
> >> --
> >>       Roberto Suárez Soto
> >>
>

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