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CONLANG  September 2011, Week 4

CONLANG September 2011, Week 4

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Re: Enough of this (was: NATLANG: The edge of human language syntax complexity)

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:29:04 -0400

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Fausto Chikko <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Asking if they're subject to "democratic opinion" is confusing what they
> *
> > are* - axioms are just very basic assumptions on which the rest of a
> system
> > is based. When doing math, one can choose pretty much any proposition to
> be
> > axiomatic in that work. How seriously people take whatever work that is
> > would be based, in part, on how reasonable it is to make that assumption.
> >
>
> You seem to be missing my point.  Perhaps I used the term "axiom"
> ill-advisedly, as I'm not a mathematician.
>
> My point, however, is that pi is pi throughout the universe.  An alien from
> the Planet Glathorp and I will, without a doubt, be able to come to
> independent agreement about the five-hundredth digit of pi even though that
> level of precision of pi is irrelevant to *any circle that could possibly
> exist in this universe.*  We can't have gotten it by observing matter.  We
> must have found it some other way, and since we both independently arrive
> at
> it, it must *exist*.  Since it reflects nothing at all in the material
> universe, it cannot exist in matter.    You could say it exists in my head,
> which is true.  But why should I share the contents of my head with
> Glathorp, an alien well outside of my lightcone and thus as isolated as a
>

If he is outside your lightcone, then you cannot communicate with him, or
even know of his existence.


> being could be, when I cannot share it adequately with you who are right
> here?  It must also exist outside of my head and whatever neural structure
> Glathorp has.
>
> We can find a long list of such things, things which are true throughout
> the

entire universe.
>

This is another assumption, that physical laws are universal. All the
evidence seems to point to it, but we can't examine closely places distant
in both time and space.

stevo


>
> --Patrick
>
> --
>  Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> pre-order from Finishing Line
> Press<
> http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>.
>

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