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Re: Translating Alice

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Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]>

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Comments on the first Chapter of  “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland.”



                Before I start translating the second chapter, I thought I
should make a list of elements in the first chapter of “Alice” that other
language creators may want to keep in mind.



                The name of Alice:  You will be repeating this name a lot,
so pick a version of this name that you like a lot.  Plus, her name has to
end up in the title.  You get bonus points for picking a name that is
somehow evocative of your language or the culture that accompanies it.

                The name of Dinah:  Pick a cute kittie name.  Every language
should have names for cute kittens.

                Specific animals:  The first chapter mentions rabbits (that
have holes or nests), cats and mice (that cats may eat), and bats (that may
eat cats), and rats (that also make holes).

                Word games:  How does your language handle longitude and
latitude?  Alice calls the Antipodians the ‘Antipathies.’  This may require
drastic surgery depending on the world of your language.

                Technology:  The telescope.  Does your world have a Galileo?
Or some sort of device that opens and closes?  Tables and doors, bottles and
cake also make an appearance.

                Repetition of a term:  Carroll sometimes repeats a word more
often than one finds in formal English.  I noted candle, hall, perhaps a few
more.  Perhaps your language would be more comfortable using pronouns.  Or
perhaps your language has a pronoun for a long-thin object, and a large-open
object.  Or perhaps your language just has lots of words for candles and
halls (like Babel does).

                Beginning conjunctions:  Many sentences or phrases begin
with “for, and, however” and the like.  Your language may want to avoid
that.  Babel is actually a rather conjunction poor language, and it uses
eiqhor/xhnoet to mean “for, and, but, however, finally” and the like.

                Little asides:  There are a few times when Carroll writes
something like “as you know” or “as you can tell.”  I used little
evidential-like particles for some of those and only directly translated a
few.

                Modal like constructions:  This chapter has a lot of phrases
like “tries to, begins to, wants to” and the like.  Be sure to know how your
language handles modals!

                Lots of indirect statement:  By this I mean phrases like
“sees that, finds that, realizes that” and the like.  Does your language
require a different mood for indirect statement?  A particle or two?  A
construction with fixed word order?  You’ll definitely need to know this.  By
the way, Babel only allows certain participals to be used for indirect
statement, and that’s why one finds so many “double verbal” constructions,
such as “realized, understanding that” or “saw, thinking that” and the like.
Babel does a lot of double verbal things.  It likes “goes-up, climbing” and
“goes-down, falling.”

                Lots of indirect questions:  By this I mean “wonder
whether/if” and “see whether/if.”  Does your language even permit indirect
questions?  Babel is even more restrictive with indirect questions than it
is for indirect statements.

                Overall tone:  This is very difficult thing to quantify and
varies quite a bit from language to language.  Carroll uses such phrases as
“little Alice,” “poor Alice” to instill sympathy in her.  He mentions “nice
histories” in an ironic way.  What I’ve chosen to do, to give this general
tone, is to use as many feminine pronouns for her as I can, as well as words
for “maiden” or “princess,” to give a similar affect but without using the
specific words “little” or “poor.”

                The Monster Sentence:  There is one monster sentence with
tonnes of indirect statement.  When you get to it, you’ll know and probably
cry.

                Word order:  Carroll doesn’t mind having lots of subordinate
clauses after main clauses.  He doesn’t mind dangling participles.  I’ve
shifted the word order about a little to make the text a bit more
natural.  This
may just be something you have to feel out.

                Punctuation:  Carroll loves semi-colons, colons, and
parentheses in the middle of a sentence.  You have have to break apart some
of these sentences, or link them together with conjunctions.  Personally,
I’ve just tried to feel them out also.

                I hope this helps!

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