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Re: Help creating subordinate clauses with neither pronouns nor conjunctions

From:

Hugo Cesar de Castro Carneiro <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:48:56 -0300

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On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:27 PM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>
> In a sentence which has nouns, foe example, "the dog sees
> the cat", are either the subject or object themselves?
>
> I assume that possessive and genitive are different affixes
> (bound morphemes).


My main sentences used to be SVO, despite my conlang favoring either VSO or
VOS.

SVO were used in main sentences in order to avoid using too many cases. Both
subject and object in SVO use nominative/absolutive case, which is an
unmarked case.

But in consecutive coordinate clauses, as I mentioned, I try to use the
relation nominative-accusative languages=passiveness / ergative-absolutive
languages=antipassiveness.


1. When the agent of the first clause is the subject of the second, then the
patient of the first sentence is put in accusative case and the first
sentence appears in VOS word order, so that its subject gets adjacent to the
verb of the second sentence.

Example:
The woman lost her dog and cried, which becomes, Lose dog.her.ACC woman.ABS
cry (ACC = accusative, ABS = absolutive, there is neither tense nor mood,
this will be represent with periphrastic constructions)


2. When the patient of the first clause is the subject of the second, then
the agent of the first sentence is put in ergative case and the first
sentence appears in VSO word order, so that its object gets adjacent to the
verb of the second sentence.

Example:
The man pulled the door and it opened, which becomes, Pull man.ERG door.ABS
open (ERG = ergative).



I tried to create a verbal noun solution, but this proved to be very
difficult for this kind of sentence, but then I came with a solution using
causal-final case in one of the nominalized verbs, depending on what the
speaker wants to imply.

The man pulled the door and it opened, could be translated into:
1. Pull man.POSS door.GEN open.CAUS (The man pulled the door in order to
open, because of the opening, intending to open etc), translated litterally
as "The man's pulling of the door for the reason of the opening" or
2. Open door.POSS pull.CAUS man.POSS (The door opened because the man
pulled, because of the man's pulling, due to the man's pulling), translated
litterally as "The door's opening by the cause of the man's pulling".


Maybe the second sentence can be changed as the "opening" is a mediopassive
action, so I don't know if the door is really the "owner" of the action, or
just a complement. If it were this way it would be "Open door.GEN pull.CAUS
man.POSS", or even better "Open door.GEN man.POSS pull.CAUS".



In addition, I'm trying to create a highly synthetic language, but with the
fewest amount of cases. I am using genitive and possessive cases for more
than just either nominal complement or ownership, respectively; I am also
using causal-final cases for more than just adding a either causal or final
adverbial adjunct.

But I am trying to use the fewest amount of cases that both creates the
fewest amount of ambiguity and permits a high readability, even for speakers
of indo-european languages, like me and you.


One thing I did in order to lower the amount of cases was putting causal and
final cases together, comitative and instrumental cases also together,
dative and benefactive cases also together and eliminate motion cases, like
ablative, allative and others, by using periphrastic constructions (keeping
one lexical morpheme per word)

Example:
Peter came from his house, turns into, "Peter come origin.COM
house.1sg-poss.LOC" (Peter came with origin in his house... COM =
comitative-instrumental case, and LOC = locative case).
Peter goes to his mother's house, turns into, "Peter go destiny.COM
house.LOC mother.1sg-poss.POSS" (Peter goes with destiny in his mother's
house).

Nowadays I have _ cases:
1. Nominative/Absolutive
2. Accusative (may disappear if I use only verbnouns)
3. Ergative (may disappear if I use only verbnouns)
4. Genitive
5. Possessive
6. Dative
7. Comitative-instrumental
8. Causal-final
9. Locative
10. Vialis


Notes:
1. I wanted to transform vialis case in a periphrastic construction with the
locative case, as I did for the motion cases, but I could not find a good
periphrastic construction? Can you give me one?
2. Genitive and possessive cases were not put together due to the
subordinate clause structure. If I would put both together, the subordinate
clauses would become ambiguous.


Hugo Cesar

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