I really agree with everything you said. The counterargument is the possible revenue generated by competing with urgent and primary care centers. Since we already see many of the these patients, I could see how scheduling them could actually allow smoother functioning of the actual ED, which can get clogged when lots of non-urgent pts present all at once. Spreading them out and directing them to the non-urgent side makes some practical sense. But I can't get over that gut feeling that says this further erodes what the ED is all about and further confuses that in the public's mind. James
> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:42:15 -0500
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> Subject: Re: Appointments in the ED
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> Whether or not patients are "scheduled" to arrive at your acute care facility (Clinic, Office, Surgicenter, etc.), I believe EMTALA would still apply. Prudent administrations would operate under the assumption this is the case.
> My personal concern is one much broader in scope. That is, with society's trend towards "doing more with less", I have sincere reservations about "ED Appointments" because they represent a further erosion of the practice of Emergency Medicine. The focus of the Emergentologist is the treatment and stabilization of urgent and Emergent conditions. Currently, that role has been redefined by society to be one of a glorified 24 hour clinic but with the benefit of Critical/Trauma Care capabilities attached. The next step in the evolutionary process must span the obvious gap created by patients expecting to be seen at a specific time, juxtapositioned against nonurgent, urgent and Emergent patient presentations - who gets seen first? How will acuity affect that decision process? Each appointment then becomes a liability and an impediment to the flow of delivered care in the ED. An untenable situation at best without significant numbers of additional staff at hand.
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> > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:10:29 -0600
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Appointments in the ED
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Out hospital system has just announced that this service will be offered.
> > In addition to the concerns expressed by Ernie, I have these additional
> > concerns:
> > 1) Approximately 55% of our patients are ESI Level 4 and 5. This means that
> > if we could figure out a way to implement this, we would have to make
> > available "appointments" to more than 25,000 patient visits/year.
> > 2) Our population is approximately 70% Medicaid/Medicaid HMO. I am
> > concerned that "scheduling appointments" will give the states just the
> > excuse they need to decrease reimbursements to Hospitals for ED visits. In
> > other words, why should insurance companies pay ED fees for non-emergent
> > patients who have "scheduled" appointments?
> > I would appreciate hearing your thoughts regarding the scheduling
> > "appointments" for pediatric patients in Emergency Departments.
> > Thanks,
> > Bob Flood
> > Division Director, Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center
> > St. Louis, MO
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Ernest Bertha <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> > > Just a thought as I am reviewing some CME.... If patients make an
> > > appointment in the ED, is the hospital and the ED doc still responsible
> > > under EMTALA? Obviously, if it is an appointment, no emergency medical
> > > condition exists and therefore a MSE isn't required. Just wondering how
> > > this might/will affect this type of care in the ED?
> > >
> > > Ernie
> > >
> > > Ernest G. Bertha, MD, MBA, CPE, FAAP
> > > Chief Medical Officer, Pediatric Services
> > > Sheridan Healthcare Services, Inc.
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