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CONLANG November 2011, Week 2

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Re: Design Perameters for Romanization

From:

Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:53:38 -0500

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 02:04:11 -0500, George Corley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I've set down some of my thoughts regarding romanization into a blog post.
> Hopefully this can start a good discussion going about it.
>http://gacorley.squarespace.com/imported-20110129051548/2011/11/14/design-parameters-for-romanization.html

It surprised me a little bit when, after stating your design goals, you then
equated whether you romanise the underlying or the surface sounds with the
elegance--accessibility axis.  I think there's a degree missing here. 
Elegance should really mean getting the internal _structure_ of your
romanisation to match the phonological structure.  You can reflect the
phonemes one-to-one without matching the structure (this extra structure
might come from e.g. morphophonemics, or just featural analysis);
conversely, you can match the structure and still show allophony.  

E.g. suppose you were romanising a language where all the basic stops had
fricative allophones (e.g. Old Irish, or Biblical Hebrew).  
For one, you could just not write them at all, <p> [p f], <t> [t T], etc. 
That's underlying.  
A second way wd be to write the stops as <p t k b d g> and the fricatives as
<ph th kh bh dh gh>.  That's phonemic as opposed to phonetic but still, I
reckon, elegant.  (The Irish option, modulo the use of <c>.)
Then a third way would be to put the stops as <p t k b d g> and the
fricatives as <f th kh v dh gh>.  That would be the maximally familiar one.  

Myself, I lean phonemic (at least if the phonematisation is clear); and
one-letter-one-sound is nice, but elegance in this structure-preserving
sense is a greater priority.  E.g. I'm happy with <ph th kh> [p_h t_h k_h],
but <ch j> [tS) dZ)] is the sort of thing I'd look for a way to avoid (in
that case, I have a soft spot for <c-hachek ezh-hachek>, though I went <c j>
once where that worked).  


Your history desideratum reminds me of a different thing I've wondered.  
Has any conlanger ever designed a con-alphabet which is used, in their
conworld, with the same sort of intra- and cross-linguistic complexities
that Roman is *here*?  There's lots of conlangs written in Roman with
orthographic funniness, and there's lots of conalphabets which are used
totally one-to-one and regularly for their languages, but I can't think of
an example of a conalphabet with significant funniness.  


This also seems a good juncture to mention that, for my random language
project, I'm going to need to design romanizations by program.  In theory I
could even start now.  I've thought a little bit about what sort of
parameters the romaniser should have: elegance--familiarity and
underlying--surface are two good ones.  But I haven't given much thought to
how to actually sit down and do it.  Does anyone have good ideas for that?

Alex

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