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CONLANG  November 2011, Week 3

CONLANG November 2011, Week 3

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Re: Searching for a poetic form

From:

Leland Kusmer <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:02:55 -0500

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I'm not sure where the sestina form fits in your list of parameters – it
determines actual words used, so isn't quite rhyme. Also consider acrostic,
where the first letters of the lines spell a word. (This is a form much
used in ASL poetry – basically, forming a pattern among the handshapes of
successive words, either having them spell a word in English or having them
simply follow a known pattern, like a segment of the alphabet or the
integers.)

Luc bat looks awesome! Thanks for finding that.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Interesting.  I'll look at that one.  I just learned about Burmese yada
> which uses something called climbing rhyme where the rhymed words drift
> backward through succeeding lines.  And luc bat is an interesting
> Vietnamese form.  Though both of these depend on rhyme in some form.
>
> So far it looks like poetry depends on one or some comination of the
> following:
>
> rhyme -- ending words the same
> alliteration -- begining word the same
> parallelism -- contrasting/comparing ideas
> syllable counting
> stress or tone paterning
>
> Are there other structures?
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Leland Kusmer
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
> > The oddest poetic form I've ever encountered in English is the
> sestina[0],
> > which prescribes not rhymes but literally the words used to end each
> line –
> > the final words of the lines in the first stanza must reappear as the
> final
> > words of the lines in the later stanzas (but in a strictly defined
> changing
> > order). Examples that I've seen in English often feel free to substitute
> > either homophones or differently-inflected forms; this could be really
> > interesting in a highly inflected language (where only the word *root*
> must
> > recur). It could also be interesting to create other patterns
> > of recurrence, or to integrate line-internal constraints of some sort.
> >
> > -Leland
> >
> > [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sestina
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > I'm doing NaNoWriMo this year (first time for me) and my novel already
> > > includes bits of Tvern El, Trelkairni, B-G-2-3 (after a fasion),
> > Grravgaaln
> > > and English heavily laced with Fthsaisthf idioms.  Now I am preparing
> to
> > > compose a poem that will be rather important to the plot, though I
> > haven't
> > > decided which charcater will get to speak the poem (and thus haven't
> > chosen
> > > the language in which to compose it) but I want to use a, well exotic
> for
> > > lack of better term, poetic *form*.  I am familiar with rhymed verse,
> > > metered (blank) verse, free verse, alliterative verse,  parallelism,
> > haiku,
> > > and know that Somali verse includes some rather arcarne internal
> > > constraints that I can't recall the operation of atm, but I'm sure
> there
> > > must be other poetic forms out there that would be managable, but quite
> > > strange to a standard average reader of SF.  Does any one have
> > suggestions
> > > for forms I should research?
> > >
> > > Thankees all around in advance
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> >
>

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