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CONLANG  November 2011, Week 3

CONLANG November 2011, Week 3

Subject:

Re: A two-hour conlang

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:09:14 -0800

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--- On Sat, 11/19/11, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Padraic,
> The definition I use for middle voice is from Rick Morneau
> (Katanda in this
> case):
>   Middle: The original object is made more topical and
> becomes the
>         subject.  The original
> subject is deleted from the verb's
>         argument structure and may not
> be expressed at all even though
>         it is implied.

Okay. You used a different definition, it would seem.

> So only your second example has a middle voice. Your first
> example and your description are for reflexives.

English still has the middle voice, then. ;)

Padraic

> 
> stevo
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > --- On Sat, 11/19/11, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > English basically already has noun
> > > declensions and verb conjugations. How
> > > would you know to add something that English
> doesn't have,
> > > like a middle voice or maybe aorist?
> >
> > English has the middle voice. It might lack conjugated
> forms, but it
> > certainly has the concept: "I bought (me) a new car";
> "the casserole
> > cooked". The grammatical subject is both subject of
> verb and patient or
> > recipient of the action.
> >
> > Padraic
> >
> > > stevo
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Gary Shannon
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:57 PM,
> MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > How can you get non-English features?
> > > > >
> > > > > stevo
> > > >
> > > > That happens at the re-glossing stage. Since
> the
> > > language is built
> > > > around discrete word roots that
> characteristic is
> > > pretty much
> > > > built-in, but you could introduce a whole
> system of
> > > verb conjugations
> > > > and noun declensions that bears no
> similarity to
> > > English.
> > > >
> > > > For example, you might divide he consonants
> into four
> > > sets and call
> > > > each a different noun class or grammatical
> gender with
> > > its own unique
> > > > system of declension, or its own adjective
> and article
> > > forms. Or you
> > > > might build the pronouns into the verb
> conjugations
> > > and make the
> > > > language pro-drop. Etc., etc.
> > > >
> > > > Word order and clause structure could be
> modified from
> > > English at this
> > > > stage too so that:
> > > >
> > > > I gave a book to each of the men.
> > > >
> > > > Might become:
> > > >
> > > > book-PAT man-DAT.pl give-PAST-IND-1s each
> > > >
> > > > and then each root is selected from the
> lexicon,
> > > vowels picked, and
> > > > affixes attached to represent the glossed
> functions.
> > > >
> > > > So that the final result doesn't resemble
> English at
> > > all.
> > > >
> > > > --gary
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 

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