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CONLANG  December 2011, Week 5

CONLANG December 2011, Week 5

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Re: Natural World Taxonomies

From:

Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:42:31 -0500

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:58:28 +0000, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Since relocating my conculture, I've been going about cataloguing the sorts
of wildlife my Ny`spe`ke speakers will come across. What I'm finding
difficult is, what level of species detail would a language go into?
[...]
>What I wanted to know was, when it comes to inedible plants, small rodents,
birds, fish, deer, etc, how does one go about deciding whether a species is
individual or part of a group? And if it is part of a group, how does one go
about deciding what the boundaries of this group is?

Well, that's already the second question.  The first is which critters even
get a name at all, or only get a patchwork of extremely local names with no
consistencies (that might not be a concern if the Ny`spe`ke-phone territory
is small tho).  Wikipedia, for instance, says
| In a book that lists over 1200 species of fishes[9] more than half have 
| no widely recognised common name; they either are too nondescript or too 
| rarely seen to have earned any widely accepted common name.
(The book is Heemstra, Phillip C.; Smith, Margaret (1999). Smith's Sea
Fishes. Southern Book Publishers. ISBN 1-86812-032-5.)

I once read a description of the birds reconstructable for IE, I think,
which pointed out that aside from those explainable on grounds of utility or
bignitude, we see ones which have distinctive onomatopoeic names: the owl is
*ul- or something, the hoopoe is *h1epop-.  So that might be another
criterion.  

Actually, that was probably in Adams and Mallory.  Conveniently it's the
chapter on fauna that Oxford University Press have made available as a
sample.  Another data point, at the least:
  http://www.oup.co.uk/pdf/0-19-928791-0.pdf


Also, keep in mind (as you likely know) that names that refer to groups of
species have no reason to refer only to clades; clades are neither
necessarily visible nor relevant.  There are reasonably well known large
examples ("fish" are not a clade), but plenty of small ones among plants &c
as well (e.g. Syrian rue is not a rue).  

[I halfwise say this because it seems to have been missed on some sides of
the recent heated discussion about conlang genealogy.  "Indo-European" is,
definitionally, a clade. Esperanto is not IE; it belongs to no language
family aside from the Esperantic languages, not even fictionally (like
Talossan but unlike Brithenig).  But it is a member of Standard Average
European and several other sprachbunds and areal groupings and whatnot
besides, including lexically-defined ones.  And from the synchronic
perspective, surely tht is the important thing.]

Alex

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