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CONLANG  December 2011, Week 5

CONLANG December 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Re: A Romance Language...

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:28:51 +0000

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On 29/12/2011 07:09, Logan Kearsley wrote:
> ... of an entirely different sort.

Indeed - it has left me wondering whether in this context
'Romance Language' is not rather a language developed by
fiancé and fiancée, rather than one derived from the ancient
_lingua Romanica_     :)

Just one or two thinks that, for me at least, need
clarification;

[snip]
> inventory starts out with English, but with a simplified
>  vowel system and the addition of voiced and unvoiced
> lateral (rr, ll) and palatal (y, h) fricatives and an ayn
> (').

"ayn (')" is s bit ambiguous. I assume it is referring to
the 16th letter of Hebrew and many other Semitic abjads.
This, I understand, represented a _voiced pharyngeal
fricative_ [ʕ].  I believe e in some varieties of Arabic it
is a voiced epiglottal fricative [ʢ], or even a
pharyngealized glottal stop [ʔˤ].  I understand that in
modern Israeli Hebrew it is either silent or pronounced as a
glottal stop [ʔ], i.e. just like the modern Israeli
pronunciation of aleph.

So I'm not clear what sound you have in mind.

> *That one exception is the sonority hierarchy. I'm
> putting to use my idea of last June for the dicluster
> root / template system, and so the syllabification rules
>  that went along with that to resolve disallowed
> consonant clusters are in effect, with the addition than
> ayn (') syllabifies to /a/.

Remind me.

> The consonantal root system does not dominate the entire
>  language;

Romance language?  Sounds more like an Afro-Asiatic language.

[snip]
> having a smaller paradigm). This allows for easy
> vocabulary generation by stealing the consonants from an
>  existing English/French/Russian/Latin word

I guess there may be some English borrowing and possibly the
odd Russian one in a Romance lang - but "stealing the
consonants"?

[snip]
>
> For now, a full paradigm includes Agent/Focus verb
> Agent/Patient verb Agent/Patient/Focus verb Agent+Patient
> (inherently reflexive) verb Patient verb Patient/Focus
> verb Abstract Nominal Agent Nominal Patient Nominal Focus
> Nominal

This seems rather foreign to a Romancelang.

> where Patient and Focus can also be Experiencer and
> Stimulus, depending on the root. Roots themselves are
> specified as static or dynamic in nature, which can be
> modified by various prefixes. The abstract nominal serves
> as a base for potential further concatenative derivation
> via noun-class affixes and such. Need to figure out
> participles somehow. Verbs don't conjugate at all, which
> simplified things a lot. Also note that there are no
> infinitives, but there are nominalizing suffixes.
>
> My next favorite part so far is the personal pronoun
> system, which looks like this:
> mi	1m.s.
> ma	1f.s.
> me	1.3.
> nu	1.2.
>
> ti	2m.s.
> ta	2f.s.
> vu	2p.
>
> ci	3m.s.	lli	3m.p.
> ca	3f.s.		lla	3f.p.
> on	3n.s.		err	3n.p.

I understand (I think) some of this, but I find some confusing.

> Of particular note is the existence of a 1+2 plural
> pronoun, and a 1+3, but no single word to indicate a
> group of the speaker, addressee, and someone else all
> together.

I see, so 1.2 is inclusive plural and 1.3 is exclusive
plural. Good point - What do languages that make that
distinction do with "me + you + others?"  Presumably use the
inclusive form?

[snip]
>
> The syntax makes clause boundaries (almost) always
> unambiguous, which makes for some really nice pithy
> constructions; e.g., there's no need for subordinating
> conjunctions, because prepositions can just take an
> unmarked clause as an object.

Sounds interesting - examples?

-- 
Ray
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