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CONLANG  December 2011, Week 5

CONLANG December 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Naisek Grammar Change Q

From:

BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:28:18 +0100

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On 2011-12-28 23:27, neo gu wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:41:36 -0600, Wm Annis
> <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM, neo gu<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>>> "Someone blew the paper with the wind."
>>> Ota halfata hi papir hipe humepe.
>>>
>>> There's no way this could not refer to a person, however unknown.
>>> In fact, it would emphasize the personal factor. I'd have to invent a
>>> new pronoun just for that purpose.
>>
>> Then use the passive for that.  There's no reason you have to use
>> an identical strategy for all translations of English active sentences
>> with semantically inanimate agents.  It makes sense that natural
>> forces and the weather seem of higher animacy than, say, a knife,
>> since they operate without human intervention.  Slot them into a
>> different construction, and give a prayer of thanks to Saint Tolkien
>> and Saint Hildegard that you didn't decide on something like
>> Navajo's eight-level animacy hierarchy. :)
>>
>> --
>> William S. Annis
>> www.aoidoi.org  www.scholiastae.org
>
> Actually, I might end up with 3 animacy types if I make some nouns
> heterogeneous, although they wouldn't constitute a Navajo-type
> hierarchy.
>

Sohlob has an animate/inanimate distinction which
manifests so that it uses accusative alignment for
animates and ergative alignment for inanimates, with
the snag that the nominative, accusative and absolutive
are identical -- endingless -- and the same form
serving as both ergative and instrumental. Animate
agents and patients can still be told apart with the
help of the languages' deixis system: it has a
distinction between proximal, medial and distal
demonstratives which double as definite articles. At
the same time alignment is also hierarchical, which
intertwines deictic reference and animacy so that the
full hierarchy becomes.

*	1st person
     *   inclusive
     *   exclusive
*   2d person
*   3d person
     *   animate
         *   proximal
         *   medial
         *   distal
     *   inanimate
         *   proximal
         *   medial
         *   distal

Moreover P/M/D are used in discourse to distinguish
between earlier and later introduced referents, and D
forms are used for out-group vs. in-group P/M
referents.

Now word order is strictly verb-initial,
with the order of the arguments determined by their
place in the animacy/deixis hierarchy. There is no
person marking on the verb, but the verb takes an
inverse marker [^1] when a hierarchically lower
argument acts on a higher. Thus for animate arguments
the presence/absence of the inverse marker is the only
clue to which argument is agent and which is patient,
while an inanimate 'agent' is additionally marked by
the instrumental/ergative suffix. In fact sentences
with inanimate 'agents' as impersonal, which is shown
by the fact that any inverse or irrealis markers are
attached not to the main verb but to a dummy copula.
The main verb is in fact an infinite form which happens
to coincide with the zero-marked direct realis form of
the appropriate aspect. Moreover this distinction in
verbal morphology between inanimate and animate
'agents' exists only in positive statements: negative
statements are always constructed with a negative verb
which syntactically behaves just like the dummy copula
in impersonal statements. Note that there is no
'passive' involved here at all, this being a category
which does not exist in the language. The closest thing
is a statement with omitted agent -- all arguments can
be omitted if understood from context! -- or the
impersonal construction which however has other uses as
well.

[^1]: Which BTW goes between the aspect and irrealis
     markers in Kijeb and between the stem and the
     irrealis marker in the later languages, where the
     aspect markers have been lost and aspect is
     signalled by (originally umlaut) vowel changes in
     the stem.

/bpj

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