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CONLANG  January 2012, Week 4

CONLANG January 2012, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Happy New Year

From:

George Corley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:16:14 -0500

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That can be tricky. 和,跟,与 can all be used to mean "and" -- varying only in
register.  Of course, the first two have other meanings.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:35 PM, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> 2012/1/27 George Corley <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > Ok.  Well, I don't really know how to break down 万事如意, then.  As a unit,
> > it's something like "may all your wishes come true", but none of the
> > indiviual meanings seems to make sense in that definition.
>
>
> The glosses don't have to make sense, although it's nice when they do, and
> I try to make sure they do. After all, they're just names for characters,
> not translations.
> The only real requirement I impose on my glosses is that no two different
> characters have the same gloss. OTOH, a single character can have several
> glosses.
>
> stevo
>
>
> > Only thing I
> > can say is that 万, in addition to meaning "ten thousand, a myriad", can
> > also refer to an uncountably large number (in a sense, you could say it
> > means both the old and new senses of "myriad").
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:23 PM, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:11 PM, George Corley <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> Okay, it was Monday, but there's still time... 恭禧發財,萬事如意!gong1 xi3
> > fa1
> > > > >> cai2, wan4 shi4 ru2 yi4! Kou
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >respect congratulations issue wealth, 10000 affair as idea.
> > > >
> > > > Funny.  I suppose it should be explained to a few people that 恭喜发财
> and
> > > 万事如意
> > > > are pretty much idioms (chengyu, which are a class of abbreviated
> > idioms
> > > > that are often ungrammatical or nearly so).  恭喜 by itself means
> > > > "congratulations" and 恭喜发财 means "congratulations on your good
> > fortune",
> > > a
> > > > wish that you will gain wealth in the new year.
> > > >
> > > > I am aware that individual characters often are actually part of
> larger
> > > lexical items, as you have described. However, I gloss by character,
> > since
> > > a native also has to combine the characters to get the full meaning. In
> > > fact, I tend to think of my glosses as names of the characters, albeit
> > > names that hopefully provide a strong hint of the meaning of the
> > individual
> > > character. Indeed, comparing the characters I glossed with your
> comment,
> > I
> > > must alter my glosses to reflect the traditional vs. simplified
> versions
> > of
> > > the characters. So the gloss of the original eight characters is now:
> > > respect congratulations/t issue/t wealth/t, 10000 affair as idea
> > > and the characters you used later are
> > > respect congratulations/s issue/s wealth/s.
> > >
> > > stevo
> > >
> >
>

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