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CONLANG  January 2012, Week 4

CONLANG January 2012, Week 4

Subject:

Re: YAEUT: Overreflexivity

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:11:22 -0600

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>
> That's Twilight-speak.  At least I associate the Team X phenom with the
> whole Team Edward/Team Jacob blah-blah.  I don't recall ever hearing it
> before that.  Teenage popculture is invasive and almost guaranteed to
> spread, at least temporarily.
>

the first exception that comes to mind is "team america: world police"
(2004 movie).  but don't the olympics feature "team canada," etc.?  and
there was a game show in the 90s, whose details i forget, always featuring
"team red" and "team blue."

parallel structures are "club x," "mount x."  may be a europeanism, coming
ultimately from french perhaps, since the construction does not strike me
as intrinsically germanic, but it at least predates the twilight
books/movies.

matt

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Isn't there the romance association of "Ark Royal" and the suggestion of a
> colon "Team: GB" which sounds more impressive?
>
> Also, "The British Team" may descend into the politics of "Britain" versus
> "Great Britain".
>
> Also been used poetically, etc for hundreds of years. "Lake blue" places
> the emphasis more on "blue" than with "blue lake", as well as helping when
> it comes to rhyme. :)
>
> Sam Stutter
> [log in to unmask]
> "No e na il cu barri"
>
> On 25 Jan 2012, at 16:52, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:18 AM, David McCann <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:52:14 -0800
> >> Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> --- On Tue, 1/24/12, Daniel Bowman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>> "He self-regulated himself."
> >>>> To my grammatical sense, the sentence would normally be "He
> >>>> self-regulated."
> >>
> >>> Interesting. For me, it should be "he regulated himself". Because
> >>> self- regulating, like self-cleaning, etc aren't really verbs. For
> >>> me, there's no "the oven self-cleaned". The oven cleaned itself.
> >>
> >> I've just consulted the SODE (2002). The introduction to self- only
> >> mentions it as a prefix to nouns and adjectives: self-advocacy,
> >> self-cleaning, self-destroyed. The listed examples do include a
> >> verb: self-actualise as a term in psychology. To me such verbs sound
> >> like un-English jargon created by those lacking in Sprachgefühl.
> >>
> >>
> > Self-destruct has been used as a verb for decades.  I can't say for sure
> > how long other self-verbs have been around but that one's been in use for
> > at least half a century.  SODE missed a bit, I'd say.
> >
> >
> >
> >> OT. Another example of this sort of thing is the creation of
> >> organisational titles like "Team GB" instead of "The British Olympic
> >> Team". Since when has English put its adjectives after the noun? And
> >> what's wrong with a normal adjective like "British"?
> >>
> >
> > That's Twilight-speak.  At least I associate the Team X phenom with the
> > whole Team Edward/Team Jacob blah-blah.  I don't recall ever hearing it
> > before that.  Teenage popculture is invasive and almost guaranteed to
> > spread, at least temporarily.
> >
> > Adam
>

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