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CONLANG  February 2012, Week 3

CONLANG February 2012, Week 3

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Re: Fw: Rules an Yardish's Writing Sysem

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Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:28:33 -0500

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Amazing. So when I write this up in my lexicon, should I write it in the 
font called braille and tell what each dot represents, that what I was 
thinking, I like the tactile symbols idea idea, can I combine the two?
Nicole Andrews

Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
Tweet me



@greenNovelist
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Padraic Brown" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Rules an Yardish's Writing Sysem


> --- On Wed, 2/15/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews 
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> If I create a writing system that
>> looks like braille, it won't make sense to anyone visually
>> or probably tactically reading it, will it?
>
> The Yardish can always do what the Daine of the Holy Hills (just west of
> Westmarche in the Eastlands) did a very long time ago:
>
> Back in those days, only Teor lived in the Eastlands, and some Daine came
> out of the West and settled along the verges of Teorish lands. The Daine
> didn't have a writing system, but became aware that the Teor did in fact
> write things in theirs. There was a seer among the Daine called Sayaquorye
> who became determined to devise a writing system for her language. As is
> the case with many Daine that have othersight, Sayaquorye lacked vision
> in this world -- perhaps not even the perception of red that a sigted
> person gets when he closes his eyes and looks towards a light source. And
> though she had a kind of "awareness of shape and location" of things in
> space, she had no inner concept of things written or drawn on flat
> surfaces.
>
> Anyway, she goes off in the woods to meditate on this and comes back after
> a spell and asks for some wooden boards and some carving tools. What she
> ends up with is a bunch of boards with vinelike carvings and leaves and
> berries and so forth -- symbols essentially, carved into the wood. Folks
> weren't too sure about this at first, but became far more receptive after
> they understood that it wasn't just pretty carvings she had made but a way
> of encoding thoughts.
>
> Her writing system took off, and even now, some forty thousand years 
> later,
> the Daine of DarenalliŽ of the Holy Hills still use the "singing boards"
> to record stories and read from them later. By tradition and training,
> readers don't look at the carvings with their eyes, but always close their
> eyes and look at the boards with their fingers, following the story's flow
> with their hands.
>
> As one ancient story teller recounted to a curious Teor historian who had
> asked about the symbols that were "plainly visible" on the wood: "they're
> just squiggles! Vines and flowers. You can't see it, but we have to follow
> with our hands. The story sort of flies from the board and through our
> fingers to our hearts. Then we can sing what it's saying."
>
> Padraic
>
>> Nicole Andrews
>>
>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>> Tweet me
>>
>>
>>
>> @greenNovelist
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "???? ?????????? ?????"
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Rules an Yardish's Writing Sysem
>>
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 15 February, 2012 09:00:28 you wrote:
>> >> How should I create Yaardish's writing system,
>> since I know some print, the
>> >> only real writing system is braille, i'm not sure
>> how to create it.
>> > The authorative version: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/latex-for-
>> > conlangers/message/108
>> >
>> >> Also,
>> >> how many grammar rules can a language have. Nicole
>> Andrews
>> > Most conlang experts prefer the A4-x rule. That is,
>> rather than count
>> > the actual number of rules, simply list them all on an
>> A4 size piece of paper
>> > (at 9pt font size). The more pieces of paper used (x),
>> the more complicated
>> > the language.
>> > Some natlang examples:
>> > A4-1: Indonesian
>> > A4-2: English
>> > A4-3: German
>> > A4-4: Russian
>> > A4-5: Arabic
>> >
>> > So if you're starting to get close to filling up five
>> pages (front and
>> > back), you're getting pretty close to the maximum. At
>> which point, it's
>> > probably most convinient to lose one sheet of paper,
>> just to make sure that
>> > you have enough wriggle room. If you do lose one sheet,
>> make sure that no
>> > rules carry over from previous or following pages,
>> otherwise it will be very
>> > confusing.
>> > Regards,
>> > :Peter
>> > P.S. Don't use US letter size paper -- it's not
>> asthetically pleasing.
>> > If you're stuck in the US or Canada, I'm sure that a
>> general appeal to the
>> > list for A4 paper will not go unanswered. Alternately,
>> you can get legal size
>> > paper and cut it down to 210 ◊ 297 mm.
> 

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