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CONLANG  February 2012, Week 3

CONLANG February 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Outdoors

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:38:09 +0100

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Liels paldies.

I really love how Latvian sounds, but being by no means native, I know
nothing about the history of your language. And I really find it very sad
that such a beautiful and archaic language is spoiled with loanwords.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Toms Deimonds Barvidis
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> This issue seams to be already solved before I, a native Latvian speaker,
>  had seen the thread :D
>
> Anyway, "ārā" is indeed a locative from an earlier "ārs", meaning "the
> outdoors", most definitely related to "āre", an
> open, cultivated land, thus probably also with "art" (to plough) and
> "arkls" (a plough), as well as Latin "arō" and
> English "ear" (not the body part, of course), I suppose.
>
> Nowadays it's usually perceived as an adverb, not a declined form of any
> noun, since "ārs" has fallen out of usage
> in this meaning; "ārs" is now used to mean an are, 100 square meters.
>
> "Laukā" is also a locative from "lauks", a field.
>
> The opposite concept "inside" is usually "iekšā"; seems like another
> locative. Some related words are "iekšas"
> (intestine) and "iekš", an archaic preposition meaning "in", usually used
> mocking the way Baltic Germans spoke
> Latvian and more increasingly with loaned words that can't be declined,
> though I find this rather ugly.
>
> Citējot "Nikolay Ivankov" <[log in to unmask]>:
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 4:04 PM, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In Russian one uses "na ulitse" (on the street) or "na dvore" (in the
> >> yard)
> >>> for outdoors, sometimes also "za oknom" (beyond the window). In Latvian
> >> it
> >>> is either arā (outside) or laukā "in the field".
> >>>
> >>
> >> "Arā" looks like a locative. What is the nominative and what does it
> mean?
> >>
> >
> > For me too, but I'm no champion it Latvian. There is no "aris" or "arus"
> > in the dictionalry, and the only meaning of "ars" is 100m2. Thuogh there
> > are particles "ar"="with" and "arī"="too". I can fancy that *arus may be
> > cognate with "agros", since "lauks" should be of the same origin as
> Russian
> > "lug" - "meadow".
> >
> > stevo
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Charlie Brickner <
> >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's 60° here in the Blue Ridge Mountains today and, as I was visiting
> >>> our
> >>>> shut-
> >>>> ins, I was enjoying the winter outdoors.
> >>>>
> >>>> The thought occurred to me that you can't say "outdoors" unless your
> >>>> culture
> >>>> has doors!  If your conculture is so primitive as not to have doors,
> >> how
> >>>> do you
> >>>> express the concept of "outdoors" in your conlang?
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>

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