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CONLANG  February 2012, Week 3

CONLANG February 2012, Week 3

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Re: quick vocab/sociology survey

From:

Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:38:37 -0600

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Actually, it is precisely those words that most need to be in a
dictionary.  I am exceedingly unlikely to look up the word _mother_.  I
know that word.  I have absolutely no need of a dictionary definintion for
that word and would feel no loss if it were left out (unless it were a
dictionary for ES/FL or for children, intended to teach the concept of how
to use a dictionary).  But if I come across williwaw and go to my
dictionary to look it up and find it abscent, then my dictionary has failed
me in its purpose.  At least as I see it.

Adam

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I agree about the sentiment but would like to point out that even if
> 80% of a population doesn't know a word that doesn't revoke it's word
> status, since 20/100 do know it. There comes a point however when a
> word ceases to be used productivly and shortly thereafter I feel it
> will leave the lexicon.
>
> On 2/21/12, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > It occurs to me that a (non-technical) word that is unknown to 99% of the
> > population is not really a word at all. A word is a collection of sounds
> > represented by a collection of symbols which CONVEYS INFORMATION.
> >
> > Globerdrange is not a word because it conveys no information. But
> suppose I
> > define globerdrange as the thin film that builds up on the inner surface
> of
> > a teakettle over the years. Is it now an English word because I have
> > defined it? I don't think so.
> >
> > So suppose I happen to be wealthy, so I buy a publishing company and
> decree
> > that globerdrange be included in the next edition of the dictionary
> > published by my company. Is it an English word then? I still don't think
> > so. Just because it's in some book doesn't make it a real word.
> >
> > It doesn't become a real word until some significant portion of the
> > population actually uses it in daily discourse, or encounters and
> > understands it frequently when reading.
> >
> > Highly technical terms specific to a particular field of study are
> > excepted, of course, but I maintain that sound sequences like "williwaw"
> > are not actually words. To 99% of the the population such a word has no
> > more meaning than globerdrange, and should not be granted any more wordly
> > status than my own imaginary neologism.
> >
> > So the problem is not that English has too many words. The problem is
> that
> > the English dictionary contains too many non-words. I say if a
> > (non-technical) word is unknown to 80% of the population it should be
> > purged from the dictionary as unnecessary baggage.
> >
> > --gary
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 5:17 AM, taliesin the storyteller <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2012-02-21 13:35, Padraic Brown wrote:
> >>
> >>> Find a way to combine williwaw with katabatic and bob's thy nuncle.
> >>>
> >>
> >> But, katabatic williwaws should surely be possible? Might almost think a
> >> piteraq *is* a katabatic williwaw by my quick google of the terms, just
> >> located to Greenland.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Throw in piteraq for good measure! Ikkii!
> >>>
> >>
> >> With or without the extra-i? There might be plenty ikkis in the years to
> >> come :(
> >>
> >>
> >> t.
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>

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