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Fwd: [CONLANG] Coining New Words in Language Families

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Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:46:14 -0600

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [CONLANG] Coining New Words in Language Families
To: Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>


You can also have borrowings come in from related languages.  Our words
"hostile" "host" and "hospital" all come from the same root, by different
means.

So you might have a Proto-Deus word */klops/ meaning "stick."
Elven sound change simplifies consonant clusters, let's say, through
assimilation, giving /gof/ for "stick"
Trolls, on the other hand, have a different set of sound changes, leading
to Trollish /ghaupsa/, "stick," but also "sword."
Elves, having gone to war with the trolls and learned about this wonderful
new technology, borrow their word for it, modifying it to fit their
phonology: /haufa/.
So the elves now have two words:  /gof/, "stick" and /haufa/ "sword" and
none but the elven linguists realize that they both derive from Proto-Deus
*/klops/

Neat, huh?


On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: J. M. DeSantis <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > I've been working on one of my four Proto-Languages, and it's been
> coming along nicely, albeit a bit slower than I'd hoped. However, I have
> noticed that this one language may very well have a limited vocabulary.
> That said, the three or four languages coming out of this family will most
> certainly have more words than the proto. So, my question is this:
>
> > If a language derives from another language, but the original language
> has no word for something, will the derivative language in the family
> simply coin a new word...
>
> That seem almost never to happen in natlangs......IIRC "gas" (in the
> chemical sense, not = petrol) is the only real coinage in recent history
> (during the Renaissance I think), and it's said to be based on Greek
> "chaos". Then there are slangy things like "quiz", but that's surely from
> "inquisition".
>
> > ...or root to work with? Or should all words come from some source?
>
> It might be possible to modify an existing root in some way-- vowel or
> consonant change, add something (like a nasal before stops?), or maybe
> reduplicate or compound existing roots, or create derivatives???
>
> > To be specific, the one Proto-Language is a language of the gods, yet it
> is unlikely they will have had a word for say "tree" or even more likely
> "sword." My Elvish will need these (which is in the same family), so should
> new roots/words be coined, or should they derive from existing roots?
>
> Possibly, see above. But if you have four proto-languages (and all their
> presumed descendants) , and assuming that there will be at least some kind
> of contact between groups, borrowing is the best possibility IMO.
>



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