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CONLANG  February 2012, Week 3

CONLANG February 2012, Week 3

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Re: quick vocab/sociology survey

From:

Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:03:32 -0800

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Every once in a while I stumble onto the derivation of an English word
that should have been obvious and I kick myself for never having
noticed it. And even knowing that "breakfast" is "break + fast" it
still took me a long time of using it in daily coversation to tumble
to the Spanish "desayunar" as "des + ayunar" where "ayunar" means "to
fast".

--gary

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dale McCreery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I have a friend working on proto-tsimshianic, and she's down to under 300
> roots total in the language family - however those roots have created
> other roots, and so on and so forth. At present there are at least 5000
> words in the published dictionary, of which only about a hundred are
> borrowings from other language families, so definitely a small amount of
> roots can produce a lot of words, but it's arguable whether speakers are
> aware of the ways in which the words are built from other roots - I know
> I'm fvery often completely unaware of where English words come from,
> simply because I've never thought about it!
>
> -muskwatch-
>
> Considering that there are something around five thousand words in the
> database,
>
>> Well, I AM talking about an ARTLANG, after all, not a natlang. If Toki
>> Pona can get by with 123 root words I would think 2,000 to 3,000 root
>> words would be a virtual cornucopia of lexicographic diversity,
>> especially if some of those 2,000 or so were also usable as
>> derivational affixes.
>>
>> Plus, I would assume that if a base noun, for example, also had
>> adjectival and adverbial forms that those would not count as separate
>> words. Nor would diminutive endings, nominal adjectives, etc. So the
>> real working lexicon might be closer to 10,000 or more actual words,
>> but all based on a closed set of a couple thousand root words.
>>
>> This is all just half-baked musings anyway.
>>
>> --gary
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 2000~3000? I would consider that a straight jacket!  But then, I
>>> probably use more than twice that many words in mundane conversation.
>>> I rejoice everytime I meet a new word ~ in any language. Adam
>>>
>>> On 2/19/12, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> I agree that English has too many words. While I wouldn't take it as
>>>> far as Toki Pona or Ogden's Basic English, I do believe that a fixed,
>>>> closed vocabulary of 2,000 to 3,000 words would be plenty for a rich
>>>> and expressive language.
>>>>
>>>> --gary
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Nikolay, as a non-native speaker, your grasp on 10,700 English words
>>>>> is
>>>>> impressive. (English has too many words anyway! ;-) )
>>>>>
>>>>
>>

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