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CONLANG  February 2012, Week 4

CONLANG February 2012, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Information-question words in subordinate clauses, indirect speech etc.

From:

Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:34:13 +0100

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On 27 February 2012 17:36, Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> How do information-question words (like "who", "where" etc. in
> English) work cross-linguistically in indirect speech and subordinate
> or relative clauses?  Especially in languages where relativizers don't
> have the same form as question-words, as in English?
>
>
In Moten (using "room" rather than "restroom" as I don't have a word for
that yet, and "live" rather than "be born" for the same reason):


> 1. Where is the restroom?
>
>
Tinea momut izunlaj ito?
Tin<e>a        mo-mut       i-zunla-i        i-to?
Room<ART> SPAT-what INF-be.at-INF PRS-be?

Literally: "The room, at what is it situated?"


> 2. "Where is the restroom?" he asked.
>
>
"Tinea momut izunlaj ito?". Ifi|zo|n etok.
"Tin<e>a        mo-mut       i-zunla-i        i-to?".
I-fi|zon-i       e-to-k.
"Room<ART> SPAT-what INF-be.at-INF PRS-be?". INF-ask-INF REAL-be-NON.PRS.

Literally: "'The room, at what is it situated?'. He asked it."


> 3. He asked where the restroom was.
>
>
Tinea momut izunlaj itos ifi|zo|n etok.
Tin<e>a        mo-mut       i-zunla-i        i-to-s
i-fi|zon-i       e-to-k.
Room<ART> SPAT-what INF-be.at-INF PRS-be-DEP INF-ask-INF REAL-be-NON.PRS.

The only difference between direct and indirect speech is putting the
auxiliary in the dependent form.


> 4. I didn't know where the restroom was.
>

Tinevaj zunledan vajaguz etok.
Tin<e><v>a-i                          zunl<e><d>a-n
vajag-z       e-to-k.
Room<ART><GEN.SG>-GEN location<ART><ACC.SG>-ACC learn-PTCP REAL-be-NON.PRS.

Literally: "I hadn't learned the location of the room". Moten does have
completive subclauses, but this construction is what would normally be
used. One doesn't use a completive clause with a question word unless it's
for reported speech.


>
> 5. This is the house where Shakespeare was born.
>
>
Len Sekspil izunlaj eto umpej ito.
Len Sekspil          i-zunla-i         e-to        ump<e>i        i-to.
This Shakespeare INF-be.at-INF REAL-be house<ART> PRS-be.

Literally: "This is the house that Shakespeare lived".

Relative clauses are formed like completive clauses, by putting the
auxiliary in the dependent form (here, the dependent form of _etok_ is
_eto_, removing the non-present suffix), and the function of the head in
the relative clause is indicated entirely by gap and context, even for
oblique relativisations like the one above (as in Japanese).


> gjâ-zym-byn has distinct relativizers and interrogative particles.  So
> far it uses the interrogative in sentences like #1 and #2, and the
> relativizer in ones like #5, but I'm not sure what's the best/most
> natural way to handle #3 and #4; I'm leaning toward using the
> interrogative for #3 and maybe for #4 as well, but I can see reasons
> for using the relativizer instead, especially for #4 and maybe for #3.
>
>
Moten uses the interrogative in #1, #2 and #3, although in #3 the
interrogative doesn't mark the subordination, the form the auxiliary does.
For #4, Moten prefers to use a different construction without a subclause,
and in #5 the equivalent of the English relative adverb is a gap in a
subclause marked by the form of the auxiliary.

I believe Japanese behaves similarly. I'm not familiar enough with indirect
speech in Basque to comment on how it works in that language, although I do
know that #5 is simply impossible in Basque, as only core arguments can be
relativised.
-- 
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.

http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/

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