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CONLANG  February 2012, Week 4

CONLANG February 2012, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Phonology Imitation

From:

Peter Collier <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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Broadly speaking there seem to be two different approaches to language
construction. One is to coin some vocabulary and then to look at what you
have and  "reverse-engineer" a language from it. The other is to work at a
phonological level rather than a lexical one, i.e. to work out how the
language is screwed together first and then see what it leads to. By
necessity, the "what-if" type conlangs - Brithenig and the like - would have
to be of the second type.

My own project is of the latter type so I don't have any experience of
working the other way around, but logically  there must come a point where
things have to start getting a little more fixed and any new coinings start
to comply with words you have already created, otherwise the thing is going
to just keep on expanding to a ridiculously unwieldy state. 

As to making one language "feel" like another, it seems to me you need
several things. Firstly, you need to have similar phonologies and
phontactics. If you want something that sounds Germanic, you are going to
need more fricatives and afficates in your phonology, a larger vowel
inventory, and rules that allow for syllables with large consonant clusters.
If you are looking to make something Romanic you'd want to be having more
limited consonant clusters, fewer or no reduced vowels and so on.

Secondly, the conlang's  grammar and syntax would need to be similar. If you
were trying to create a language  that felt like English, you wouldn't want
to have grammatical gender and adjectival agreements. If you want something
of a Finnish feel, you'd need to be thinking about cases.

Finally, orthography. To my mind this is the last thing you should consider,
not the first, as it has nothing at all to do with the mechanics of the
language. It is  just an arbitrary arrangement of symbols for encoding the
language in writing. However, that said, if you are trying to mimic the feel
of a language you need to mimic its orthography. When you look at a
Brithenig it appears at first glance to be Welsh and that’s part of what
makes it such a delight. 

So my suggestion would be to look at the language(s) you want to emulate,
determine what it is that gives them their "feel," and then use those
aspects to lay down some founding criteria for your creation. Do that before
you do anything else. Then it’s a question of creating a language within
those self-imposed constraints.

P.

-----Original Message-----
From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Ian Spolarich
Sent: 25 February 2012 03:56
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Phonology Imitation

I distinctly remember a thread here or somewhere where the poster had talked
a bit about mimicking natural languages' phonologies in a conlang. I can't
seem to find the email, so I thought I'd ask here: how does one truly make a
conlang sound like another language or specific phonology?

The thing is, when *I* conlang, I don't usually think about how one word
will sound in context or what not, I usually think about what phonemes I can
use and what sounds good. For one of my langs, "Csatau," I'm mimicking to an
extent the Hungarian language--I have done so fairly easily in the phonology
inventory (as well as the orthography, but really, who doesn't love the
Hungarian alphabet? Although it should be noted that there is a
corresponding native script and a script in another con-script made of Greek
and Cyrillic letters... it's a complex country.), but I'm not sure how to
achieve the overarching aesthetic "feel" of Hungarian.

Also, besides making a conlang sound like I want it to sound, I tend to have
trouble pronouncing the language--not because of the phonology but because
of the sequence of sounds. For example, I had to change my numbers
(originally "ská elt vec fört tüks fausz sal sval dvan..." to "ská elt föt
tüks fau pes sval dvan") to make them easier to pronounce. Anyway, does
anyone have any good tips on achieving a unified sound consistent across a
whole language?

-Ian Spolarich

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