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CONLANG  March 2012, Week 3

CONLANG March 2012, Week 3

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Re: New Blog Post: Moten Part VIII: Surdé clinaison , Def inition and Main Nominal Use

From:

Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:07:39 +0100

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On 20 March 2012 10:37, Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> >
> >> Simply doubling an ending isn't nearly as interesting as e.g., noun
> plurals
> >> on verb phrases, e.g., 'How many "I'm coming"s do I have to say before
> you
> >> hear it?'
> >
> > Mmm... I wonder what the status of those is. The simple fact that you
> felt
> > you had to add quotes around the verb phrase shows that those may not be
> > considered fully grammatical, at least for your idiolect.
>
> No, one would add quotation marks around any word used as an example. Or
> one would italicize the "I'm coming" but leave the s unitalicized. That
> sentence is fully grammatical, and the quotation marks or italicization
> would be purely orthographic.
>
>
Mmm... Are you sure about that? I'm curious to hear whether people would
really naturally say that sentence rather than "how many times do I have to
say 'I'm coming' before you hear it?"


> > Actually, I felt a bit wary of adding that "bestest" example. "Better"
> and
> > "best" are irregular, so I'm not sure they are felt as *inflections* of
> > "good", or just separate lexical items that happen to work suppletively
> as
> > comparative and superlative of "good".
>
> Well, they're not irregular so much as suppletive.
>
>
Suppletion is just a subset of irregularity (by definition, anything that
doesn't follow the rule branded as "regular" is "irregular". Suppletion
doesn't follow the rule branded as "regular", thus it is "irregular").
Notice I used the word "suppletive" myself (well, the derived adverb), so I
knew very well what I was talking about :) .

But yeah, suppletion may be the key to understand why the verbs "to better"
and "to best" even exist. As I think of it, a true case of surd├ęclinaison
of this kind might be the verb "to lower". Is this considered to be a verb
derived from the comparative of "low"? If so it might be a better example
than "bestest".
-- 
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.

http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/

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