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CONLANG March 2012, Week 3

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Re: Superdeclension in Quenya? (and in Old Albic!) (was: New Blog Post: Moten Part VIII)

From:

Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:03:28 -0400

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:17:34 +0100, Jrg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>That sounds interesting, but are such forms attested in Tolkien's
>corpus, or is Mr. Appleyard speculating into the blue here?

From what I know of Appleyard I'd have no reason to expect any Tolkienian
support to it, though there might be.  He's vry free with the speculation.
 Ah, here, from the foreword:

|  Some features of this article caused controversy when they appeared in 
| TL:-
[...]
|  [Vinyakaarie]
|  i.e. "new making", = matter not in Tolkien and not derivable by analogy 
| from Tolkien matter. It is irrelevant to people studying his ideas and 
| purpose; but may in the end sometimes be a necessary evil for people 
| writing in Quenya when practicality clashes with faithfulness to Tolkien: 
[etc. ...]
| Examples of types of extensions of varying acceptability or 
| doubtfulness are:-
[...]
|  (e) arbitrary invention, e.g. my *`A-ki' = "if A is there" hereinunder, 

With respect to the last, he really seems to have forgotten it was Quenya he
was working in and not Lojban...

|  Coordination between sentences can be conveniently expressed by these new
| case endings which I invented and are primarily for use on `i' but can be 
| used on infinitives and ordinary nouns etc:-
|
|  A-ki   if A exists/is there        X iki Y    X if Y; Y implies X
|  A-ke   caused by A                 X ike Y    X because Y
|  A-kei  intentionally caused by A   X ikei Y   in order that X, Y
|  A-ka   if and only if A exists e   X ika Y    X if and only if Y; X eqv Y
|         if and only if A is there
|  A-ko   causing A                   X iko Y    X therefore Y
|  A-koi  intentionally causing A     X ikoi Y   X in order that Y
|  A-ku   implying that A exists      X iku Y    if X then Y; X implies Y
|         implying that A is there
|  Plural: add `-n', e.g. `kiryakan' = "if and only if (there are) ships".

Alex

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