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CONLANG  March 2012, Week 3

CONLANG March 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Happy library week (translation)

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:20:14 -0700

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--- On Tue, 3/20/12, Iuhan Culmærija <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> This week is South African National Library Week.
> 
> When wishing a friend who has an interest in conlangs a
> "happy library
> week" earlier today, I used Syrunian: my romance conlang of
> Judea/the
> Levant. Essentially “Latin as Aramaic/Biblical Hebrew”
> 
> (CON is the construct state; it marks the possessor. the
> Genetive marks the possessèd)
> 
>  I said: "felše h-seftemane h-dume h-bivili"
> 
> [happy (is) the-week.CON the-house.CON The-Books]

Same basic construction as you'd find in Loucarian, though the possessed is
in the oblique case:

caire enfra al-haptiniye tribe al-biblia-na

caire! is an all purpose greeting word, can be used simply to greet someone
or to express felicitations during a festival.

en ... na means in, within; enfra ... na alters the meaning to "throughout"
or "all within". These amphipositions can surround a single word or a
whole connected noun phrase. (Does that count as surdéclinaison, 
Christophe? -- no I guess not, -na isn't really a case termination, but is
really a postposed wossname, er, preposition.)

al-haptinias = literally, seven days, but means "legal holiday" or 
"festival"; -e is an old locative form that a few words can be found in.
Notably the great cities, Custantiye, Alescandariye and Ierosolume. And of
those, the first one would be a logical impossibility, cos Men are no
longer allowed to enter (and therefore be át) Constantine's City.

Tribe al-biblia = house of books. Tribas literally means "family, or 
household", not a physical house which is "demis", and -e is the construct
state; the attributive is in the oblique (pl.), -a.

That said, a Loucarian speaker would probably blink his eyes in confusion
-- after all, what is a "festival of libraries"??


Can also say:

caire enfra al-heptiniye accas al bana tiyuti-an

Greetings for the festival of the sons of Thoth. (But that would really be
a "book festival" rather than a library festival.)

> Then I realised that "bivil" (>Greek: biblios) is The
> Book, meaning the Bible.

Indeed. There is no "Bible" in the World. There are Kristian scriptures,
but no single Bible. They have in stead al-efanjil, the Gospel; al-tourat,
the Teachings; al-simras, the Songs; al-epistoules, the Letters and 
al-Mousteria, the Secrets. Any given church or communion may have a
differing collection from within those categories. al-biblion simply means
"the book" (biblionver means "a book").

> So I replaced it with "h-dume h-liveri" [the-house.CON
> the-books]
> 
> But this means school (cf: Hebrew: 'beyt ha-sefer' ; school,
> literally "house.CON the-book")

al-tribe grammaticcie, house of scholars is a school.

> It turns out that library is: "h-dume d-liver"
> [the-house.CON of-book] (d-
> > Aramaic: dî "of" / Romance: de "of")
> 
> I always thought the different ways to express possession
> was a nice
> feature, especially because its plausible for a descendant
> of both Latin
> and Aramaic  – now I am convinced that it is!

Indeed! Domis accas al-grammaticcies = house of (belonging to) the scholars
and is interesting because accas itself means "at the house (of)", like
"chez". So, literally "house at the house of the scholars".

> I’m sure libraries are something language enthusiasts
> (like ourselves) appreciate greatly,

Yes indeed!

> So: felše h-seftemane h-dume d-liver!
> 
> פלשע הספתמאנע הדומע דליבער
>
> Iuhan

Padraic

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