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CONLANG  March 2012, Week 3

CONLANG March 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Tirelat vowels again

From:

Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:36:13 +0000

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Maybe even that modern p/b developed from old kw/gw, which conditioned the
rounded vowels, where old p/b did not.

2012/3/18 BPJ <[log in to unmask]>
>
> The low incidence of ë/y contrasts looks very interesting.
> What if /ə/ was originally an allophone of /ɨ/ which became
> marginally phonemicized when some instances of /o/ became
> /ə/ for whatever cause.  Why not have a look at the contexts
> where /ə/ and /o/ occur and see if there emerges something
> like a pattern?  In a large area in Sweden and Norway old
> /o/ became /ɞ/.  Maybe the same thing happened in Tirelat,
> with /ɞ/ later unrounding > /ɜ/.  I wonder if you couldn't
> nicely account for this distribution as follows:
>
> There originally were two times three vowel phonemes: /i a u/ plus
> some kind of strong/weak distinction. _et's assume it was
> originally one of length, either from an ancient quantitative
> distinction or from open syllable lengthening, but had developed
> into one of quality (this is BTW exactly like Persian so far):
>
>    i(ː)        u(ː)
>
>    ɪ > e       ʊ > o
>
>    æ           ɑ(ː)
>
> Next there is a chain shift, starting with /ɑ(ː)/ rounding
> and pushing upwards:
>
>    ɑ > o > u > ɨ
>
>    [æ] > [ä]
>
> Next some instances of /ɨ/ become realized as [ə],
> while some instances of /o/ < */ɑ/ become [ɵ]:
>
>    /i/         /ɨ/         /u/
>
>       /e/   [ə]   [ɵ]  /o/
>
>                /a/
>
> with the phonemicization of /ə/ being a mere matter
> of [ɵ] merging with [ə].
>
> The relative infrequency of /ɨ/ is a bit of a problem here.
> You mentioned that you at some real time point had _y_ = [y]
> and turned some instances of it into /ju/, so perhaps the
> fictional time change was a little more complicated:
>
>                y   >   ju
>              /
>    u   >   ʉ   >   ɨ   >   ɨ
>                       \
>                         ə
>                        /
>                ɞ   >  ɵ
>              /
>    ɑ   >   ɒ   >   o
>
> The question is what may have conditioned the splits.
> Might there have been a lost distinction between
> labialized and non-labialized consonants for example?
>
> /bpj
>

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