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CONLANG  March 2012, Week 4

CONLANG March 2012, Week 4

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Re: Attributives, Relative Clauses, and Coordinating Conjunctions

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:28:29 -0400

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On 3/26/2012 8:26 PM, Logan Kearsley wrote:

> I was rather attracted to the Nahuatl strategy of noun apposition,
> where adjectives are essentially nouns and you do attribution by just
> putting a bunch of them together; so, "a big man" == "a big-thing a
> man". Sadly, this would result in unacceptable syntactic ambiguity in
> Mev Pailom with VAP word order and freely variable transitivity.
> However, I already had a nice connective particle "eq", sort of a
> phrase-level subordinating conjunction, which says "this phrase
> modifies a following noun phrase", for use in much the same way as
> using a noun in an adjective slot in English or using the "-ish"
> noun->adjective derivation, so I thought "I'll just come up with
> another connective particle with slightly different semantics" and
> went and invented a particle (temporarily called "naq") that means
> "these two phrases are co-referential".
> I then thought "hey, that could be extended to be a generic
> coordinating conjunction, not just for doing attribution in noun
> phrases".
> So, I now have a generic coordinating conjunction that means "the
> things being coordinated are co-referential". Useful for appositives
> and many other things. E.g.
>
> "The president COREF Obama" == "President Obama"
> "Great-thing COREF Alexander" == "Alexander the Great" (cf.
> "Great-thing MOD Alexander" == "Alexander, who happens to be a great
> guy")

Lindiga (which can be either VSO or VOS) has a similar conjunction 
"vie", which I've used with nouns or adjectives (and glossed as "namely").

pachtek rlisi vie Keki rla-Kokiri-t
weapon first namely sword (people)-Kokiri-GEN
(your) first weapon, the Kokiri Sword

têngi tir-ás-a paia-t vie kiesiri
enough buy-ing-GEN shield-GEN namely 40
enough (Rupees) to buy a shield, (specifically) 40

> "I broke COREF dropped the vase" == "I broke the vase by dropping it"
> (dropping and breaking are different descriptions of the same actual
> action)
> "I fixed a bug COREF made my boss happy" == "I made my boss happy by
> fixing a bug"
> "I win COREF you lose" == "I win and you lose, and these are the same
> thing" (cf. "I win this game and you lose that totally unrelated one")

I haven't used "vie" in this way, but I don't know any reason why it 
couldn't be used like that. More frequently verbs are joined with "min" 
(while), along the lines of "I broke the vase while dropping it". But I 
can see "I win, you lose" being a good case for using "vie".

> This also turns out to be useful for distinguishing supplemental and
> restrictive relative clauses:
> "Monarch butterflies COREF what flies south in winter are pretty" =
> "Monarch butterflies, which fly south in winter, are pretty."
> "Butterflies what flies south in winter are pretty" = "Butterflies
> that fly south in winter are pretty."
>
> Which was a nice unintended consequence.
>
> -l.

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