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CONLANG  March 2012, Week 5

CONLANG March 2012, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Languages with voiced-unvoiced consonant clusters

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:47:37 -0400

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I meant, does assimilation occur in Arabic when consonants of different
voicing are juxtaposed?

stevo

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> --- On Sat, 3/31/12, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Arabic is rather fearless about juxtaposing different consonants. Does
> > assimilation occur?
>
> In Anian? No -- but I dó think that all the horrible clusters must be the
> result of some kind of weird vowel loss back during the Old Oritanian
> period. I don't know a whole lot about the language as of yet, so it is
> possible that assimilations occur. I just don't know where or how or why
> yet.
>
> Of the daughter languages, some undergo considerable cluster simplification
> while one or two retain a high level of complexity. For example, Anian
> "tcani" (rune or wise saying) becomes "cânis" in Hoosickite; "ctlapmi"
> (leg) becomes "clamen". Pendarvian is said to retain the clusters. Hecklan,
> if it turns out to be a relative of Anian at all, has certainly altered
> some Anian words: Anian "hhtcrmîr" (city) becomes "cramion" in Hecklan.
>
> The history of Anian, which was the native language of Oriata, one of the
> Archaic Empires of the Eastlands, has a history going back some 10 to 15
> thousand years. As a language of philosophical scripture, it has been quite
> resistant to change, and since the destruction of Oriata and the other
> ancient empires in the region, it has long since ceased to be a spoken or
> living language. In this respect, it is much like Sussian, another
> philosophical language of the area, though perhaps not quite so old.
>
> Very few records of Old Oritanian are extant -- just some fragments of
> monumental inscription -- and the syllabary used is not the same as that
> of the later language. One fairly certain O.Or. word is HE-TUGQILLIMIILUN,
> meaning "within the City". If that's the ancestor of "hhtcrmîr", then
> quite a lot of vowel loss and other changes have happened within the
> language!
>
> Padraic
>
> >
> > stevo
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > --- On Sat, 3/31/12, Miles Forster <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > are there any languages that don't make use of
> > > > devoicing/voicing in consonant clusters? That is,
> > are there
> > > > languages in which a consonant cluster such as
> > [sb] or [pz]
> > > > is found and where these are distinguished from
> > the
> > > > assimilated versions [sp]/[zb] and [bz]/[ps]?
> > >
> > > Anian would be the best bet for such a thing among my
> > languages, but it
> > > seems to studiously avoid VL+V consonant clusters (I'm
> > not counting things
> > > like K + L, because L and R (well, and other
> > continuants) are typically
> > > syllabic and so don't really form "consonant"
> > clusters). For that matter,
> > > it shares with other languages of the Eastlands a
> > marked preference for
> > > VL consonants. D is common enough, but B is rare and I
> > don't think I have
> > > a G in the lexicon. Has some Vs and perhaps one Z that
> > I can find.
> > >
> > > Anian is otherwise rather fearless as far as consonant
> > clusters are
> > > concerned. Some represent actual vowelless syllables: F
> > is the most common
> > > of the "consonants" that form syllabic segments:
> > F-TANUM (trisyllabic)
> > > would be distinct from FTANUM (disyllabic). M, N, L
> > & R commonly form
> > > syllabic segments, either alone or in combination with
> > one or more other
> > > consonants. Others represent coarticulated stops or a
> > sort of rapid fire
> > > serial articulation of two or more stops. So, clusters
> > like PKRINIO is
> > > actually [p] and [k] said at the same time; but
> > PTKRRTUM is [p-t-k]
> > > enunciated separately but in very rapid succession with
> > no intervening
> > > vowel or other flow of air.
> > >
> > > Padraic
> > >
> >
>

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