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CONLANG April 2012, Week 5

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Re: About Professional Conlangers I've Studied

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MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:25:45 -0400

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Wow. Evangelical conlanging.

stevo

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Gimli G. Willikers <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Here's what I know:
>
> (Background : I did most of the dicipherment work on 2001 Atlantean, did
> all thus far on Frommer's Martian 2012, and have a BA in Linguistics with a
> focus on absolutely everything - starting in about 2001, when I started
> studying not languages - too hard - but writing systems (languages came in
> 2006.)
>
> Frommer is no conlanger, but neither was Okrand.  Their heart wasn't in it
> like the guys I've seen on Zompist.  Okrand refused to do anything -
> anything - on Atlantean because "no one is interested in it", making me and
> handful of people "no body" in Okrand's checking book.  But this, sigh, is
> the academic mentality, at least regarding anything with a popular appeal.
>
> So I deciphered it and developed it without his help.
>
> Frommer has a blog and keeps in contact with his dicipherers, but he still
> forces them to dicipher his rediculously amateur and over-complicated
> conlangs - I did nothing on Avatar, but saw its dicipherment and was
> appalled - did he know anything about conlanging before he made Na'vi ?
>
> Both of them made up horrible orthographies : px for [p'] instead of pp,
> and Okrand's I and G and whatever - capital letters.  Atlantean fixed all
> of Klingon's problems, but very few people seem to have seem my work.  And
> my specialty is writing systems - and Klingon alphabet and Martian alphabet
> are terrible - they aren't even a priori, Klingon is based on Phoenician
> and Martian was based on Atlantean and upper-case Roman.
>
> I actually developed a hieroglyphic writing system for Klingon which I
> have yet to put online.  It wasn't hard, you just need to know how all
> hieroglyphic writing systems work and have some experience with them -
> which I guess is rare, thanks to atheist nihilist jerks like Chompsky.  (I
> really think the mainstream school of linguistics is retarded; my school is
> closer to the old West Coast school.)
>
> These guys in Hollywood are goons.  I don't think their movies are good
> enough to have conlangs, but even then they could get guys who care and
> aren't just in it for the money.
>
> So I'm sending a message by translating all of John Carter into Martian.
>  For free.  How's that for a standard ?
>
> When I read you guys talk about getting paid to conlang, I'm shocked.  You
> realize that hardly anyone would pay to read a book I would write on
> Hittite Hieroglyphic ?  But would some kid read it if I put it online for
> free ?  Yes, he would.  In 2001, I read the entire Ancient Scripts.Com and
> I looked up at the Ivory Tower and wondered why they didn't give a hoot
> about guys like me.
>
> Real science, real scientists, are dedicated to finding the truth and
> sharing it with others.  Conlangs may not be real languages, but they are
> the #1 way to learn any language, English included, and to learn
> linguistics.  And I want to help other people out so much, that I'm willing
> to produce tomes - search Scribd and wePapers for "Sumerian corpus" - on
> dead languages and linguistic topics so I can reach people who can't afford
> a $50 or $150 "ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese" -
>
> people like me when I was 14.
>
> people like all the people I've met teaching English in China and Cambodia
> and the Philippines.
>
> People who aren't lucky enough to be born in America or even have working
> internet most of the time, people who don't live in our world, but would
> learn if learning was more accessible.
>
> That's how I use my talents.  Dudes like Okrand can sell their books,
> dudes like Frommer can make us do the work for him, but that's not how it
> should be done.
>
> Here's a thought I recently had - if conlangers want good conlangs in the
> movies, they need to put them out there - like on Scribd or a website - for
> free.  Label them generically, like "Arabic-sounding villain language",
> "smooth and flowing alien language", "Chinese-sounding hero's language" or
> something, then attach to them instructions so simple that movie-makers
> could use them.  I realize this would involve making really simple
> conlangs, but it would probably work, and it would get things going.  Give
> them vocabularies of 5,000-10,000 words, so you could find some word if you
> wanted to.  Conlangs like this could even give you credit if they were used
> after your death, like a Picasso or a Rembrandt.  It could event be a
> cipher for English, but it would be better than nothing.  Conlangs can be -
> and should be - much simpler than German or French - or Xhosa.  But
> presentation counts for a lot.
>
> What is Chat OT Theory and Usage ?  That's too complicated.  What is OT ?
>  Why can't it be like Zompist, transparent ?
>

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