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CONLANG  April 2012, Week 5

CONLANG April 2012, Week 5

Subject:

Re: About Professional Conlangers I've Studied

From:

Sai <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:47:44 -0400

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So, hello.

First off: what the other folk said. One of the main differences
between CONLANG-L and ZBB is that we value politeness more highly. In
particular, a core ethic of this group is that while we may
occasionally offer *constructive* criticism of each others' work, and
quite commonly discuss conlanging methods in the abstract, we don't
criticize motives or bash someone merely for being a noob… like you
were being just now. Because hey, tastes vary, and noobs can become
valuable contributors to the community too, over time.


In that spirit, I'll try to spin your message to the positive.

You haven't studied professional conlang*ers*, as your subject line
claims, but it seems you have put some effort into reverse engineering
conlangs. That's potentially an interesting topic in itself.

Have you participated in any conlang relays? Have you tried to do any
field linguistics or other language recovery & documentation? i would
expect the skillset to overlap. If you haven't yet read _Describing
Morphosyntax_, do so ASAP.

What makes a language easier or more difficult to reverse engineer?

What do you think of e.g. Dothraki, which *was* made professionally by
one of our most respected and experienced conlangers, and subject to
the same kind of independent reverse engineering effort (due to
contractual limitations on David)?

How would you improve professional conlanging, considering that it has
to meet multiple constraints — actors' ability to pronounce,
audiences' phonaesthetics (sometimes internationally, sometimes not),
linguistic depth, fidelity to preexisting canon, etc? This is of
course an aspect of the craft that the LCS has an interest in
promoting, as we do take on professional work. (We're running a couple
professional conlanging jobs happening right now, in fact.)


Hopefully those questions give you some seed to start with. I suggest
you try starting over and finding what you can talk about that's
positive, interesting, or insightful — rather than just bashing. It's
just not how we do things around here. If your answer is "I don't know
how to improve things, I just know what I think sucks"… please shut up
for a bit and watch the conversation until you *do* have something to
contribute.

OT means 'off topic'. It's similar to the ZBB 'none of the above'
except, again, we're way more polite and because of the posting limit
(an intentional feature) it's considerably less often used. I'd
suggest you peruse the archives at least a couple weeks back to have a
sense of what our norms are.

Also just re your name: we use names here, not handles. There are a
couple exceptions (whom I won't mention out of respect for their
privacy), but even for them, the name they go by here is a name that
they would be comfortable being called IRL. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I
rather doubt that "Gimli G Willikers" has that status for you, so I
suggest you sign with the name you'd use to introduce yourself to a
friend of a friend in real life.

- Sai

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