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CONLANG  April 2012, Week 5

CONLANG April 2012, Week 5

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Re: Destroying the noun/verb distinction

From:

Sai <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:14:26 -0400

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 21:21, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hm. Maybe we should come up with a new mathematical notation for
> predicate logic based on Smalltalk:
>
> [X give: Y to: Z]

*nod* I'd favor something like "give(X.agt Y.pat Z.recip) or the like,
with free order; role marking is really quite useful. And you can
retain the silly parens if you want 'em. ;-)

>> (At the risk of invoking NCNC, I find the same true of programming
>> language argument structures, whose orders are also often not clear at
>> all without explicitly referring to the documentation, and bad coders
>> [or PHP coders /oblig] often presume otherwise, to the detriment of
>> legibility. Object-oriented languages, eg Ruby, improve this somewhat
>> by letting functions have an implicit self, thus making at least
>> up-to-two-argument functions pretty clearly defined — and just as a
>> matter of culture, they tend to switch to using hashes with named
>> arguments when linear arguments become unwieldy, which is akin to
>> switching from a syntax-based to theta-role-marking system.)
>
> Er, do you mean perhaps case-marking system?

A particular type, yes. I mean marking of e.g. "agent" rather than
"subject". Cases could work either way.

> Syntax-based systems do
> after all use syntax for the purpose of indicating theta-roles. Or did
> you mean specifically the kind of system in which there is a distinct
> marking for every possible role, independent of the
> verb/preposition/whatever that it's associated with?

Well, I imagine that most roles would be frequently reused — "agent"
e.g. — but essentially yes, if I understand you correctly.

- Sai

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