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CONLANG  April 2012, Week 5

CONLANG April 2012, Week 5

Subject:

About Professional Conlangers I've Studied

From:

"Gimli G. Willikers" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:04:10 -0400

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Here's what I know:

(Background : I did most of the dicipherment work on 2001 Atlantean, did all thus far on Frommer's Martian 2012, and have a BA in Linguistics with a focus on absolutely everything - starting in about 2001, when I started studying not languages - too hard - but writing systems (languages came in 2006.)

Frommer is no conlanger, but neither was Okrand.  Their heart wasn't in it like the guys I've seen on Zompist.  Okrand refused to do anything - anything - on Atlantean because "no one is interested in it", making me and handful of people "no body" in Okrand's checking book.  But this, sigh, is the academic mentality, at least regarding anything with a popular appeal.

So I deciphered it and developed it without his help.

Frommer has a blog and keeps in contact with his dicipherers, but he still forces them to dicipher his rediculously amateur and over-complicated conlangs - I did nothing on Avatar, but saw its dicipherment and was appalled - did he know anything about conlanging before he made Na'vi ?

Both of them made up horrible orthographies : px for [p'] instead of pp, and Okrand's I and G and whatever - capital letters.  Atlantean fixed all of Klingon's problems, but very few people seem to have seem my work.  And my specialty is writing systems - and Klingon alphabet and Martian alphabet are terrible - they aren't even a priori, Klingon is based on Phoenician and Martian was based on Atlantean and upper-case Roman.

I actually developed a hieroglyphic writing system for Klingon which I have yet to put online.  It wasn't hard, you just need to know how all hieroglyphic writing systems work and have some experience with them - which I guess is rare, thanks to atheist nihilist jerks like Chompsky.  (I really think the mainstream school of linguistics is retarded; my school is closer to the old West Coast school.)

These guys in Hollywood are goons.  I don't think their movies are good enough to have conlangs, but even then they could get guys who care and aren't just in it for the money.

So I'm sending a message by translating all of John Carter into Martian.  For free.  How's that for a standard ?

When I read you guys talk about getting paid to conlang, I'm shocked.  You realize that hardly anyone would pay to read a book I would write on Hittite Hieroglyphic ?  But would some kid read it if I put it online for free ?  Yes, he would.  In 2001, I read the entire Ancient Scripts.Com and I looked up at the Ivory Tower and wondered why they didn't give a hoot about guys like me.

Real science, real scientists, are dedicated to finding the truth and sharing it with others.  Conlangs may not be real languages, but they are the #1 way to learn any language, English included, and to learn linguistics.  And I want to help other people out so much, that I'm willing to produce tomes - search Scribd and wePapers for "Sumerian corpus" - on dead languages and linguistic topics so I can reach people who can't afford a $50 or $150 "ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese" -

people like me when I was 14.

people like all the people I've met teaching English in China and Cambodia and the Philippines.

People who aren't lucky enough to be born in America or even have working internet most of the time, people who don't live in our world, but would learn if learning was more accessible.

That's how I use my talents.  Dudes like Okrand can sell their books, dudes like Frommer can make us do the work for him, but that's not how it should be done.

Here's a thought I recently had - if conlangers want good conlangs in the movies, they need to put them out there - like on Scribd or a website - for free.  Label them generically, like "Arabic-sounding villain language", "smooth and flowing alien language", "Chinese-sounding hero's language" or something, then attach to them instructions so simple that movie-makers could use them.  I realize this would involve making really simple conlangs, but it would probably work, and it would get things going.  Give them vocabularies of 5,000-10,000 words, so you could find some word if you wanted to.  Conlangs like this could even give you credit if they were used after your death, like a Picasso or a Rembrandt.  It could event be a cipher for English, but it would be better than nothing.  Conlangs can be - and should be - much simpler than German or French - or Xhosa.  But presentation counts for a lot.

What is Chat OT Theory and Usage ?  That's too complicated.  What is OT ?  Why can't it be like Zompist, transparent ?

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