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Re: Ot: Re: OT: Latin translation

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On 02/05/2012 19:09, And Rosta wrote:
> Sam Stutter, On 01/05/2012 11:40:
[snip

>
> Who can come up with more suitable terms than _chezative_
>  and _disseminative_?

_disseminative_ is well-formed.

> IIRC, _ergative_ originally meant 'chezative', from Lat
> _erga_, subsequently reanalysed as from Gk ergat-.

Yep - used in the earlier sense by Sidney Ray, Johannes &
Alfredo Trombetti according to Larry Trask.  But when
reinterpreted as a Graeco-Latin hybrid it acquired a new
meaning which we use today.

> I will tentatively suggest _domiciliative_ and
> _dispersative_, with deference in advance to RAB, BPJ, Wm
> A, et al.

_dispersive_ is better.

There is no verb *domiciliare; in any case _domiciliative_
is a bit of a mouthful.

The Latin for "at the house of" is 'apud', so I guess
_apudessive_   ;)

> Kind of related to this: Does anybody know where the term
>  _andative_ comes from?

..and _venitive_ - ach y fi!

Besides those _domiciliative_ looks more than reasonable.

Presumably _andative_ and _ventive_ are Hispano-Latin
hybrids; if they have gained currency then why not the
Franco-Latin hybrid _chezative_ ?

> I mean, by what process did it gain sufficient currency
> to end up with a Wikipedia page devoted to it? Is it
> merely some kind of epicfaily grasping towards what, if
> reached, would have turned out to be (I suppose) _itive_?
>
I guess the the guy who wrote the Wikipedia page is keen on
them    ;)

> or does it have respectable credentials (and if so, what
> are they)? (Respectable credentials or no, I'm buggered
> if I'm ever going to consent to use _andative_.)

Quite right - and I'm dubious about the respectable
credentials.

The alternatives given on that page, namely, _itive_ and
_ventive_, or _translocative_ and _cislocative_ are IMO much
more preferable.

-- 
Ray
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