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CONLANG  May 2012, Week 2

CONLANG May 2012, Week 2

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Re: Navlipi - another universal script

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 May 2012 19:41:51 -0400

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text/plain (178 lines)

Per Wiktionary:
 /aβiˈt̪ ant̪ e/
/ma.ˈðe.ɾa / (it doesn't give a pronunciation for "costeras")
/de/, /ðe/

stevo


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Eliminates phonemic idiosyncrasy? Quoting from the Amazon preview:
>
> "It is a sunny day"
> "Itt iz q sani dtɛi"
>
> I'm sorry, but how does "sani" represent /sʊnɪ/ ? That's before we even
> get onto the... oh... never mind...
>
> "A los habitantes de las áreas costeras"
> "a los haabitaantɛs dɛ laas áarrɛaas kosteerraas"
>
> What's the difference between the /e/ in "de" and "costeras"? I can't hear
> it. And isn't it /a.bi'tan.tes/? And why the double "r"? And... ::gives
> up::
>
> Oh well, leaving fools to their folly again, I guess.
>
> Sam Stutter
> [log in to unmask]
> "No e na'l cu barri"
>
> On 14 May 2012, at 20:53, Zach Wellstood wrote:
>
> > Amazon gives a pretty extensive preview of the book's text.
> > It looks _so_ bulky and inefficient.
> >
> > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Jesse Bangs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> The description sounds a *lot* like crackpottery, which makes me
> >> pretty unexcited about the prospect of reviewing it...
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, And Rosta <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>> It would be nice if somebody were to review this book for Conlang-L
> (and
> >>> maybe also then in Fiat Lingua). Maybe Branden Books would give you a
> >> free
> >>> copy if you undertook to review it (try emailing Adolph Caso
> >>> <[log in to unmask]>).
> >>>
> >>> I can't find any info online about Navlipi.
> >>>
> >>> --And.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Title: Navlipi, Volume 1
> >>>> Subtitle: A New, Universal, Script
> >>>> Series Title: Navlipi
> >>>>
> >>>> Publication Year: 2012
> >>>> Publisher: Branden Books
> >>>>          http://www.brandenbooks.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Author: Prasanna Chandraseckhar
> >>>> Editor: Adolph Caso
> >>>> Author: Nicholas Ostler
> >>>> Author: Christopher Moseley
> >>>>
> >>>> Electronic: ISBN:  9780828324212 Pages: 576 Price: U.S. $ 29.95
> >>>> Paperback: ISBN:  9780828322157 Pages: 576 Price: U.S. $ 49.95
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Abstract:
> >>>>
> >>>> Presenting a new, universal script applicable to all the world's
> >> languages
> >>>> which addresses the serious deficiencies of the International Phonetic
> >>>> alphabet and also addresses the concept of "phonemic idiosyncrasy" for
> >> the
> >>>> first time ever in any world script.
> >>>>
> >>>> This book presents a new, universal script, denoted NAVLIPI, capable
> of
> >>>> expressing all the world's languages, from English and Arabic, to
> tonal
> >>>> languages such as Mandarin, to click languages such as !Xo Bushman.
> >>>> Based on the Roman script, NAVLIPI uses just five new or transformed
> >>>> letters (glyphs) in addition to the 26 Roman letters; it uses no
> >>>> diacritics,
> >>>> rather making heavy use of "post-ops", post-positional operators. Its
> >>>> expression is very intuitive and highly amenable to cursive writing,
> >>>> keyboarding and voice transcription. The book incorporates more than
> 620
> >>>> detailed references in linguistics and related fields.
> >>>>
> >>>> It addresses the concept of "phonemic idiosyncrasy" for the first time
> >>>> ever in
> >>>> any world script.
> >>>>
> >>>> NAVLIPI incorporates essential features of a universal script, thus
> far
> >>>> present
> >>>> in no world script to date, such as universality, completeness,
> >>>> distinctiveness, and practical phonemic application. Most importantly,
> >>>> NAVLIPI addresses phonemic idiosyncrasy, for the first time ever in
> any
> >>>> world script; among other things, phonemic idiosyncrasy makes
> >>>> transcription,
> >>>> in the same script, of, e.g. Mandarin and English, or Hindi/Urdu and
> >>>> Tamil,
> >>>> extremely difficult. NAVLIPI also addresses the serious deficiencies
> of
> >>>> the
> >>>> alphabet of the International Phonetic Association and may assist in
> the
> >>>> preservation of endangered languages.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nicholas Ostler observes: "NAVLIPI is a systematic extension of Roman
> >>>> script with a number of aims in view: To be a practical (legible and
> >>>> writable)
> >>>> script for all the world's languages, but at the same time to
> represent
> >>>> the
> >>>> languages' sounds exactly and consistently, making no compromises on
> the
> >>>> phonemic principle. It goes beyond existing scripts: Beyond ordinary
> >> Roman
> >>>> scripts, because it requires that its symbols are interpreted the same
> >> way
> >>>> everywhere; beyond phonetic scripts such as that of the IPA,  by
> >>>> representing phonemes singly, rather than as a set of phones; and
> beyond
> >>>> all
> >>>> the other scripts, by attempting to replace every single one of them
> >>>> without
> >>>> loss of significant phonetic detail.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a stupendous aim for a single system created by a single
> >> scholar.
> >>>>
> >>>> "The main obstacle to Chandrasekhar's achievement is the phenomenon of
> >>>> "phonemic idiosyncrasy", whereby the actual speech sounds are
> organized
> >>>> into different, and cross-cutting, significant sets in various
> >> languages:
> >>>> For
> >>>> example, p, whether aspirated or un-aspirated, is the same phoneme in
> >>>> English, but the two versions belong to contrasting phonemes in Hindi,
> >>>> where
> >>>> (however) f is heard as the same sound as aspirated-p. By juxtaposing
> >>>> letters, Chandrasekhar conjures up new symbols that represent directly
> >> the
> >>>> complex phonemic reality. The attempt to have all the possible virtues
> >> of
> >>>> a
> >>>> phonetic writing system at once - on the basis of a single man's
> ideal -
> >>>> is
> >>>> what makes this a heroic endeavour."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> JS Bangs
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >> http://jsbangs.wordpress.com
> >>
> >> "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle" -Philo of
> >> Alexandria
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > <Say 'Yes' to Conlanging! <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conlang>>
> > ra'aalalí 'a!
>

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