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CONLANG  May 2012, Week 3

CONLANG May 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Vocabulary for Needs

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 16 May 2012 15:16:02 -0400

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How about a way to say "I hunger for something green" (e.g., on first year
in Arizona desert after a lifetime in Ohio).
I treat the five principle senses all the same in Saweli and some internal
senses, such as hunger, thirst, various bodily urges, slightly differently,
but also as a group. So far I have "to sense by ..." with eyes, ears, nose,
tongue, skin; to (not) be able to sense by ..." (for 'blind', 'deaf', et
al.),

stevo

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> I've been reading a bunch of relationship books recently, and came
> across a term that I love because it describes something I often wish
> I had a pithy English word for but never did- "skin hunger" (the
> realization of the physical need for interpersonal touch). And then I
> realized, we've got "hunger" for the experience of needing food, and
> "thirst" for the experience of needing water... but no good word for
> needing touch, and no good word for needing air ("gaspy"?), and
> probably a bunch of other things that I haven't thought of.
>
> Anyway, I also thought "this is exactly the kind of thing that I
> should have a word for in Mev Pailom", since half the point of the
> language is to redress the inadequacies of English when talking with
> my fiancee, and "skin hunger" is precisely the sort of thing that is
> relevant in that context. So I though about how I could go about
> encoding this whole semantic domain, and decided I don't actually need
> any new roots to do it. Mev Pailom already has three different ways of
> saying "I miss you" (that becomes a very richly explored area of
> semantic space when one is separated from one's beloved for a couple
> of weeks while developing a dyadic language); one of them is a unique
> root, but the others are variations on "I feel your absence". And hey,
> we can introduce Shades of Meaning!
>
> So now "to feel lack" is a generic idiom for hunger/thirst/etc.
> "I am hungry" == "I feel food-lack."
> "I am thirsty" == "I feel water-lack."
> "I am out of breath" == "I feel air-lack."
> "Please give me a hug." == "I feel touch-lack."
> "I miss you (as a physical sensation)." == "I feel your lack."
>
> The noun forms of "hunger", "thirst", etc. end up as construct
> compounds of the form presence-CONS.+(noun)-NEG.* More specific verbs
> can be formed by object incorporation of these compounds with the verb
> "to feel".
>
> ObQuestion: How do y'all go about encoding various physical needs in
> terms of both verbs and nouns?
>
> -l.
>
> *The use of "presence" rather than "lack" in the compounds is due to a
> couple of quirks of Mev Pailom that construct state precludes any
> other inflection, and "lack" is literally "non-presence", so the
> expression for "lack" cannot exist in the construct state, and the
> word for, e.g., "hunger" comes out literally as "presence of no food"
> or "not the presence of food". Incidentally, the use of negative in
> the compound also means that "hunger" (nor any of the words in this
> class) itself can not exist in the construct state or take definite or
> plural inflections.
>

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