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CONLANG  May 2012, Week 3

CONLANG May 2012, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Alien Conlang Bibles (was: A Whale of a Tale)

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Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]>

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Weíre having an interesting discussion so far. First some thanks:

Thanks, Jim, for telling us that there is a VolapŁk New Testament. Itís
found here:
*

http://personal.southern.edu/~caviness/Volapuk/Diatek_Nulik/
*

I guess the reason that I thought that we only had the VolapŁk Gospels is
because thatís what the USA Esperanto used to sell:
*

http://esperanto-usa.org/retbutiko/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20_330&products_id=6700&zenid=779678b17f542d1f03096862f72da5e4
*

Iím sad, though, that it seems that the Esperanto Hobbit is out of print.
This is the year to read the Hobbit, whether the original, or in
translation.

Of course, thereís always the Irish Hobbit:
*

http://www.evertype.com/books/hobad.html
*

Thank you, Adam, for putting me straight on Cyrus the Great. The moment I
read your message I knew I had made a blunder. So the King of Tyre was
Lucifer. Why am I imagining the Tyre King looking like the Michelin Man?

To amend for this, Iím starting a Cyrus the Above Average (except on
Thursdays when heís just Average) fan club. Weíll meet every week and
complain about how Alexander and Catherine keep hogging the word "Great."
Itís really not fair.

On a serious note, though, it can be difficult to keep in mind all the
details for such a vast library as the Bible (even in a fictitious
culture). Though it might be easier to talk about translating a book at a
time, or even a chapter at a time, the temptation to bounce around in
conversation is something that I just cannot withstand.

##

"Paradise Lost" and Miltonís Satan are such an important part in modern
Western imagination that theyíre almost impossible to ignore. Just think of
how Milton has influenced even modern stories. Half of the Star Trek
villains are Lucifer/Ahab analogues. (KHAAAN!)

Sam, there is a Klingon version of the Epic of Gilgamesh by the way. Itís
interesting because one page has the Klingon, and the other page has a
literal English translation, rather than the source from which the Klingon
was translated and adapted.

Charles, thank you for all of the references to Satan/Lucifer.

I can easily see an Alien culture inventing a name for "Accusing Spirit"
for the Hebrew Bible and "Adversary Spirit" for the New Testament.

Also, Iím glad you mentioned the Book of Wisdom. We really havenít talked
before about genre in the Bible, and the linguistic problems that my serve.
Wisdom literature, Prophetic Literature, Apocalyptic literature Ö they all
may have to be handled differently, and even use words differently in an
alien context. Is there a "Spirit of Wisdom," or an "Angel of Wisdom,"
perhaps in an Alien land?

Also, comparing the Devil to a serpent, a dragon, a ravening lion all play
upon not just the wild life of a land, but also the metaphors that make
sense to it. Space dragons, for instance, may find fluffy bunnies to be a
bit sinister Ö

Padraic, thank you for your patience in responding to my free flow of ideas.

I do wish, though, that we had more Alien cultures with language in the
common imagination so that we didnít have to keep using the Klingons and
the Quendi, though. I donít think the Naívi culture has been fleshed out
enough yet, nor do I know anything about the Dothraki.

My guess is that Fek'lhr might be more Cerberus than Charon, for we do know
there is a Klingon ferryman of the dead. In life this Klingon destroyed the
first gods, and so in death now he has to row the dishonored dead down the
river of blood or something or other. I misremember the details. Iím
assuming the gods he slew were local deities, otherwise, who condemned the
guy? And isnít QoínoS falling into its sun, if the gods are all dead?

But youíre quite right, one can just invent a character for the role of the
Adversary. Klingons do have a different mindset that the temptations may
have to be different. We are told that "pleasure is non-essential," for
instance. Just something to keep in mind.

(The founding myth of the Klingons, the story of Kahless has been
published, but I havenít had a chance to get it. Iím sure there are many
details therein that would be relevant to this discussion).

Having the Powers of the World take upon themselves the raiment of time and
being constricted by Gea is certainly a good literary device. Having
constraints upon characters can aid the writer in finding unique solutions.
If the laws of physics kept changing in London, how could Holmes solve his
cases? If vampires didnít have some rather crippling weaknesses, how else
could we have the big show-down in the graveyard? And without Kryptonite Ö
well, you get the idea.

Though incidentally you phrase "reasonably mundane yellowish star" does
make me think of Kryptonians. Perhaps the Powers of the World say "You will
kneel to me, Son of Eddy-Stone-El! You, and some day your heirs!"

I think you have the basic idea of what Iím trying to do with Ruth and
other translation projects. Yes, it is a little contradictory, but the best
things in life are. Besides, I usually believe six impossible things before
breakfast. Seven today, but I had a light breakfast.

I must say that your description of the Kristian warrior maidens were
basically may day dreams during my days as an altar boy. But thatís really
a story for another time.

Iím hoping to finish the last chapter of Ruth tonight. It seems that a
sandal, or at least a shoe, plays a very important role. And thatís in the
original text.

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