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CONLANG June 2012, Week 1

Subject:

Re: A Conlanger's Theusaurus

From:

Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:29:02 -0400

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What's the thesaurus used for? To make up words?
Nicole Thompson-Andrews

Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
Emerging poet





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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Armin Buch" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: A Conlanger's Theusaurus


>A polysemy in German made me look into your thesaurus again, where I
> found the maps for question words. I was hoping to find something on
> subordinating conjunctions.
>
> German "wenn" (when) also means "if". That is, temporal remoteness is
> treated the same way as hypothetical reasoning. There is conditional
> conjunction, "falls" (historically: case-GEN), which is only used to
> emphasize non-temporality (almost irrealis).
>
> Curiously, emphatic "wenn" denotes conditionality:
>
> a) "Wenn wir ankommen, ..." = "When we arrive ..."
> b) "WENN wir ankommen, ..." = "If we arrive ..." (= "Falls wir
> ankommen, ...")
>
> Since I can't find the time to investigate polysemy in subordinating
> conjunctions cross-linguistically, I wanted to point this to you (and
> the CONLANG community), which I have hereby done.
>
>
> Am Freitag, den 25.05.2012, 06:13 -0500 schrieb Wm Annis:
>> Wow.  For the first time ever I have gone over my daily posting limit. 
>> I'll
>> try to work in several comments then.
>>
>> First, I have clarified the issue with the verbs of perception hierarchy 
>> a
>> bit, by removing Swedish and instead explaining and adding a link with
>> some more details.  Second, I added the color hierarchy, as well as the
>> one that got the whole semantic map ball rolling, Haspelmath's work on
>> indefinites.  Finally, I've started to add some common grammaticalization
>> paths.
>>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > How much "original research" are you open to doing for this project
>>
>> Wow, thanks for all those comments.  I'll have to meditate on some of
>> these questions, but I can address a few things.
>>
>> First, I do want to include more information on verbs, including verb
>> framing, case frames, common valency patterns, etc.  I'm still
>> assimilating a lot of my reading on that.
>>
>> > Though that in turn reminds me that noun class semantic maps
>> > would also be in scope for you, right?
>>
>> Not for one language though.  Now, if someone took these maps of
>> Swahili, but also created some maps on numeral classifiers (say, from
>> Chinese, Vietnamese, Mayan, etc.) as well as the common verbal
>> classifiers found all over the place, and then found the intersection of
>> *all* of those maps, that would be very interesting and would have a
>> special place in the thesaurus.
>>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Jesse Bangs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > I won't speak for Swedish, but Romanian does seem to exhibit the
>> > lexical spread that Will mentioned, at least for the transitive verbs.
>>
>> It's a common enough pattern.  I've included a link to this:
>>
>>    http://anothersumma.net/Publications/Perception.pdf
>>
>> which includes some interesting edge cases.
>>
>> --
>> wm 

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