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CONLANG  June 2012, Week 3

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Re: OT: Natlang help needed -- Turkish

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:01:03 -0400

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According to Wikipedia, the undotted 'i' is 7th in order of frequency, with
5.20%, behind a, e, i, n, r, l, and ahead of d, k, m, u, y, t, b/s, o,
which is all the letters with more than 2% frequency. No circumflex
characters were included in the list. (The list is in letter order; I
sorted it to frequency order by hand.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency

So any Turkish text with more than 20 letters should have an undotted i, on
average.

stevo

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 3:36 PM, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On 2012-06-16 19:13, Alex Fink wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:05:53 +0200, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>  Does anyone here know Turkish?  If so could you tell me if the
>>> Turkish text in this PDF file is correctly spelled:
>>>
>>> <http://www.ncf.no/viewfile.**aspx?id=753<http://www.ncf.no/viewfile.aspx?id=753>
>>> >
>>>
>>> The fact that there isn't a single dotless i in the text
>>> makes me kind of suspicious...
>>>
>>
>> I know no Turkish but I think your suspicions are right.  Too many <a>s
>> and <i>s appearing together in the same word; vowel harmony says the latter
>> should be dotless-i.  There also aren't any g with breves in the text.
>>  Google says there is a word <bağırsak> 'intestine', which thematically
>> fits here, so that's evidence enough for me.
>>
>>
> Indeed, I just compared with google translate's rendering of the English
> version.  It differed too much to put any trust in it,
> but a lot of words were the same except for dotless i's and
> g-breves.  Also I could determine myself that the Hungarian
> version is similarly challenged.
>
> I also checked what g-translate made of Turkish -> English,
> and it seems to be mostly intelligible.  I also found an
> ASCII -> Turkish converter vhich hopefully did the right thing.
> The g-translation is eerily the same...
>
> Anyway, here is the output of the ASCII -> Turkish converter,
> which the Turkish-savvy will hopefully find correct:
>
> ## Gıdalarımı hazırlayan kişiye
>
> (mutfağa teslim edilmesi gerekir)
>
> Bende bağırsak hastalığı var ve ben bu yüzden glüten içeren hazır gıda
> yiyemem. Glüten, buğday, arpa, çavdar ve yulafta ve dolayısıyla normal
> ekmek, bisküvi, makarna ve sairede bulunur. Az miktardaki glüten
> (kırıntılar, un tozu vs) beni hasta yapmak için yeter. Pirinç, sebze,
> meyve, saf balık ve saf et doğal olarak glüten içermez ve bu nedenle
> glüten içermeyen öğünlerin hazırlanmasında kullanılabilir.
>
> Bu bilgi, Norveç Bağırsak Derneği (Norwegian Coeliac Society - NCF)
> www.ncf.no tarafından sağlanmıştır.
>
>
>
>
>  If it's indeed misspelled, how serious is that?
>>> Will people dismiss it or misunderstand it?
>>>
>>
>> One hopes it won't cause this sort of incident:
>>   http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-**cellphones-missing-dot-kills-**
>> two-people-puts-three-more-in-**jail<http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-more-in-jail>
>>
>
> Now THAT's encouraging...  I hope tourists get more leeway.
>
>
>> Alex
>>
>>

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