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CONLANG  June 2012, Week 3

CONLANG June 2012, Week 3

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Re: SFF Art and Racial Bias (were: Re: [CONLANG] Importance of good worldbuilding (was: What in the world is in the World?))

From:

Iuhan Culmærija <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:17:16 +0200

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2012/6/19 George Corley <[log in to unmask]>

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > The terms "black" and "white" are far too subjective for skin-colour and
> > are distinctly polarising. Terms such as "afro-caribbean" are meaningless
> > as, even if race was still associated with a geographical area in the
> > conculture, neither Africa nor the Caribbean exist. I've found the only
> > workable method is to use the (somewhat esoteric) "IC-codes" used by the
> > British police when describing people who they've only seen briefly.
> > They're (largely) apolitical and are used for appearance, rather than
> > identity or actual origin (which I feel makes what could be a very loaded
> > subject quite dull).
> >
>
> Would "black" and "white" actually be that political in this post-race
> society you are describing, Sam?  My guess would be no.  As for
> "polarizing" -- we have many other terms in between the fairest white and
> the darkest black.  In English, terms like "olive-skinned" and
> "copper-skinned" are used, as well as "tanned".  Perhaps you could add in
> some extra terms, borrowing color terms and other related terms --


In South Africa, (partly due to our history) we have a few more of those
in-between terms:

During apartheid, there were four main 'races': White, Black, Indian and
Coloured. In Afrikaans, coloureds are called "bruinmense" (literally "brown
people": neither black nor white. Descended from Malaysians and mixed-race
people)

In literature and theatre (when race is a thematic issue) descriptions have
quite a range.
White - including tanned and olive-skinned
Coloured - including light/fair coloured; dark coloured; Cape-coloured;
Cape-Malay; Mixed-race
Indian
The Khoi and San
Black - Zulu, Xhosa, Sotho etc
North Africans - who are darker than South African black people.
[See: S. Kilpatrick (2011) 'The Racist's guide to the People of South
Africa']


> in my
> head, I always think of the sort of average skin tone of an average African
> American to be "milk chocolate", as opposed to some of the much darker
> tones you find in some parts of Africa.*  I don't make my conworlds
> Utopian, so I really don't deal with post-race societies so much.  After
> all, it leads to interesting things, such as the fact that Chinese uses the
> same color term to refer to Asians/Mongoloids (roughly) as they use to
> refer to tanned skin (with a negative connotation) ... both use the term 黄
> /huang2/ "yellow"
>
> *I'm not a physical anthropologist, but my guess is that African Americans
> very often have some white ancestry for various historical reasons.
>
>
> > However, they're impossible to work neatly into prose; "Jeremy was an IC3
> > male..." (Caccigga: "erri Ceremmi ugne manne astracanne") Has anyone come
> > up with a better method in a cosmopolitan conlang?
> >
>

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