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CONLANG  June 2012, Week 3

CONLANG June 2012, Week 3

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Re: SFF Art and Racial Bias (were: Re: [CONLANG] Importance of good worldbuilding (was: What in the world is in the World?))

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Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:30 +0100

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On a somewhat related note, when conlanging there comes the point where you need to deal with all the "person description" terms that tend to end up in chapter four of every foreign language textbook (rough descriptions of hair colour, tall-short, fat-thin, etc). When coming to this with my conlangs I'm always met with the problem that Western definitions of *race* simply don't work. In my conculture, humans are much less segregated by place and association and "culture" is much less associated with "race". In a sense, these circumstances make skin-colour a more useful way of describing an individual - much more so than hair-colour which is going to mostly be "black".

The terms "black" and "white" are far too subjective for skin-colour and are distinctly polarising. Terms such as "afro-caribbean" are meaningless as, even if race was still associated with a geographical area in the conculture, neither Africa nor the Caribbean exist. I've found the only workable method is to use the (somewhat esoteric) "IC-codes" used by the British police when describing people who they've only seen briefly. They're (largely) apolitical and are used for appearance, rather than identity or actual origin (which I feel makes what could be a very loaded subject quite dull).

However, they're impossible to work neatly into prose; "Jeremy was an IC3 male..." (Caccigga: "erri Ceremmi ugne manne astracanne") Has anyone come up with a better method in a cosmopolitan conlang?

Sam Stutter
[log in to unmask]
"No e na'l cu barri"

On 19 Jun 2012, at 16:22, Jim Henry wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:48 AM, George Corley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Well, there is the consideration that most SFF authors are white men, and
>> are less likely to describe white people as notable.  Also, I notice that
> 
> I try to write descriptions of secondary characters by contrast with
> the viewpoint character.  That is, if the viewpoint character for a
> given scene has dark skin and meets a new character who has lighter
> skin, the narrative will say so; but if he meets a new character with
> skin similar to his, I say nothing about his skin color, and the same
> for hair, eyes, etc. -- I think I even tend to describe age as younger
> or older than the viewpoint character rather than a number of years.
> I'm probably not perfectly consistent about this, but it's what I aim
> for.  That makes sense for first-person and third-person limited
> viewpoints; I'm not sure what would make most sense for omniscient
> viewpoint, but I've rarely used that mode.
> 
> -- 
> Jim Henry
> http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/

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